Just finished reading up on clomid on steroid profiles, 4 weeks clomid it is!!! THANKS!
ps: found the caps lock,haha!
finally took your advice
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Just finished reading up on clomid on steroid profiles, 4 weeks clomid it is!!! THANKS!
ps: found the caps lock,haha!
zephyrdaz
Grumpy old Git
LOOK I AINT HERE T OCREATE TENTION OR ENEMIES SO DONT GET ME WRONG, ITS JUS A BIT ANNOYING WHEN YOU DONT JUST GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER OR REAON!!!!
"what about adding prop to the end of my cycle" rather that just saying what about using prop"... I DONT SEE WHAT DIFFERENCE IT MAKES HOW I WORD IT, IF YOU READ FURTHER UP I CLEARLY STATE I WAS CONSIDERINGDOING THIS WEEK 10-13 AND WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT IF IT WAS ADVISABLE BUT NEVER GOT A STRAIGHT ANSWER! ON THE SIGHT I CHECKED UP ON CLOMID IT SAYS...
"Two cycles of 25mg per day for 5 days with a 5-day breaks is usually enough to get the desired results in the average user." IF THIS IS NOT ADVISABLE PLEASE TELL ME WHY AND WHAT IS???(KNOWLEDGE IS POWER)
YOU SEEM TO KNOW ALOT, WHAT MAKES IT COMPLICATED?? I'M NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND BETTER. THE BEST WAY TO LEARN IS TO ASK!
PS:I KNOW WHERE THE CAPS LOCK IS...THANKS!
There is no need for additional compounds!! keep it simple, a number of us have told you this in this thread and your other threads. If you get any problems with any of these other new compounds, you are not going to know what is causing it and it's going to be much harder to resolve the problem!!
I have never heard of cycling Clomid and can see no benifit to doing it, quite the opposite. Have you read this Steroid Profiles - Clomid® (clomiphene Citrate) - Steroidology.com it should give you more information about Clomid than the site you were looking at.
ps. I and others consider it rude to type everything in Caps. it's the same as shouting
pps. Thanks for finding the caps lock
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Okay, cool but what about the prop to combat negative effects and help solidify and keep gains?? You more than likley think i'm just being difficult now but like i said i'm just trying to understand... what would be the harsh side of using the prop?? will it help??
we cool!
zephyrdaz
Grumpy old Git
Cool.
What negative affects do you think the Prop is going to combat? If you do your post cycle therapy (pct) correctly I do not think your going to have a problem keeping your gains and you'll be very happy with the gains you get using what we have said. The downside to Prop is your going to have to do jabs EOD, it can be painfull, as can Sust. I'm all for less jabs. Each time you inject your scaring the muscle tissue.
If you really want something at the end of the cycle to harden you up and keep your gains, then a much better option would be anavar, rather than prop or Winstrol (winny) IMO.
thanks for the help bro, its so much easier when you get a straight to the point answer...
prob is where i am i cant get hold of anvar so test prop and Winstrol (winny) are my only choices... but if you say i wont need then thats all good, i just thought it would be better if i used the prop? as far as jabs eod, i dont mind!
prob is where i am i cant get hold of anvar so test prop and Winstrol (winny) are my only choices... but if you say i wont need then thats all good, i just thought it would be better if i used the prop? as far as jabs eod, i dont mind!
by the way, i been on my course for a week now and strangely i've lost weight???? but i think i've gained shape so hopefully i'm loosing B/F! My strength seems to have increased a bit which is weird thought i would only see progrees 2-3 weeks in? feeling a bit swollen and pumped think thats the D-Bol(maybe its all in my head)! any reasons for the above?
zephyrdaz
Grumpy old Git
What's your diet and training like? You'll get strengh increase from the dbol
diet consits of 4-5 meals a day
pre and post shake per training session, 5.30am-6.30 train
8.00am oats
10-00am egg whites & potatoe(sometime pasta) pluse prtein shake
13.00pm fish chicken or steak with rice veg and potatoe
16.00pm fruit and a protein shake
18.30pm dinner try eat clean (whatever my girlfriends making though)
21.00pm protein shake
(whey protein shakes...just got some muscle fuel dynamic to add in)
training as heavy as i can....4-5 days a week fell broken the next day after each workout!
been told that by building muscle my body will nat burn fat but why have i not started putting on weight yet?
zephyrdaz
Grumpy old Git
It's to early to be putting on muscle, any weight you put on now will be water from the dbol.
If your bulking cut down on any cardio and make sure your not overtraining, 4-5 days may be to much. You build muscle when your resting and you need to recover, so make sure you do, it's an important part. 4 days a week training should be more than enough.
Take in carbs and protein imediately after training and have a good meal withing an hour of that. I don't know what quantities your eating, so try and work that out and then try and work out how many carbs your taking in a day. You need to be in excess of carbs to build muscle, but it's a bit of a balancing act.
Give the gear time to work, it's not instant. If your diet and training are in order you'll get good results.
If your bulking cut down on any cardio and make sure your not overtraining, 4-5 days may be to much. You build muscle when your resting and you need to recover, so make sure you do, it's an important part. 4 days a week training should be more than enough.
Take in carbs and protein imediately after training and have a good meal withing an hour of that. I don't know what quantities your eating, so try and work that out and then try and work out how many carbs your taking in a day. You need to be in excess of carbs to build muscle, but it's a bit of a balancing act.
Give the gear time to work, it's not instant. If your diet and training are in order you'll get good results.
Strega
The Hot Mess
It only takes one turd out of one hundred turds to give turds a bad name and rep.
Look , Binyo, you already have prop in your retarded "first cycle".
Nice to see that you took no ones advice and ran 4 freakin compounds. We tried to tell you to run just test at first, but you obviously had other plans.
When you are 3 to 4 weeks into this and you are pissing blood or you have severe gyno, what are you going to do?
Look , Binyo, you already have prop in your retarded "first cycle".
Nice to see that you took no ones advice and ran 4 freakin compounds. We tried to tell you to run just test at first, but you obviously had other plans.
When you are 3 to 4 weeks into this and you are pissing blood or you have severe gyno, what are you going to do?
Strega
The Hot Mess
"diet consits of 4-5 meals a day
pre and post shake per training session, 5.30am-6.30 train
8.00am oats
10-00am egg whites & potatoe(sometime pasta) pluse prtein shake
13.00pm fish chicken or steak with rice veg and potatoe
16.00pm fruit and a protein shake
18.30pm dinner try eat clean (whatever my girlfriends making though)
21.00pm protein shake
(whey protein shakes...just got some muscle fuel dynamic to add in)"
Binyo, I can honestly say that this is the worst bulking diet and training combo I think I have ever seen.
You are absolutely clueless and should not be using any AAS.
pre and post shake per training session, 5.30am-6.30 train
8.00am oats
10-00am egg whites & potatoe(sometime pasta) pluse prtein shake
13.00pm fish chicken or steak with rice veg and potatoe
16.00pm fruit and a protein shake
18.30pm dinner try eat clean (whatever my girlfriends making though)
21.00pm protein shake
(whey protein shakes...just got some muscle fuel dynamic to add in)"
Binyo, I can honestly say that this is the worst bulking diet and training combo I think I have ever seen.
You are absolutely clueless and should not be using any AAS.
i really dont need negative feed back from people like you!!!! if you aint got any helpfull input to give me please dont reply to my threads!!! why not suggest the correct things instead of being an ASS about it! and before you make assutions try asking if i still plan on taking so many compounds... i was just trying to get some good advice which i got from zephyrdaz and no i aint running prop any more just dbol sust and decca!!
my meals are rather large i take 3/4 2lt lunch boxes to work so im consuming alot! and i thought these forums where to help one another get info and insight? instead of helping i've notice there are too many people trying to be little one another! why cant the steroid community just be united everyone starts somewhere and info is valuble! the best way to learn is via other peoples experiences!!!! so sick of people being judgmental and unpleasant!
Strega
The Hot Mess
Look, from your perspective it appears that Im belittling you, but in reality im poking major fun at you because claim to be searching for solid advice, you recieved solid advice, you listened to none of it and made a new thread titled that you "took" our advice. You're a clown
In the 16 other threads(i know its an exageration) that you started asking for advice, you got it and you still did what you wanted to do.
1) This is your first cycle.
2) You dont have your diet in check
3) You dont have your training in check
4) You dont understand PCT
5) You dont understand how the compounds that you are taking work
6) You dont know what is in the compounds you are taking.
7) You dont understand what sides could arise from the compounds you are taking.
My advice is to learn how to eat, learn how to train, learn how often to train, and then when you have mastered that and have a solid base to use just TEST as your first cycle.
There, that is my constructive criticism and advice.
In the 16 other threads(i know its an exageration) that you started asking for advice, you got it and you still did what you wanted to do.
1) This is your first cycle.
2) You dont have your diet in check
3) You dont have your training in check
4) You dont understand PCT
5) You dont understand how the compounds that you are taking work
6) You dont know what is in the compounds you are taking.
7) You dont understand what sides could arise from the compounds you are taking.
My advice is to learn how to eat, learn how to train, learn how often to train, and then when you have mastered that and have a solid base to use just TEST as your first cycle.
There, that is my constructive criticism and advice.
thanks!!!
now firstly you dont know what my training consists of so what makes you the expert in knowing if its "in check"!
secondky i did follow advise... i was told to run decca and sus at 500mg sust and 300/400mg decca which i am doing! i've added d-bol(25mg ed for 1st 4weeks) as a jump start which i've also been told is just fine!!! thats all! i was under the impression my initial post cycle therapy (pct) was fine because thats how i was advised, clearly if i was 100% sure about it i wouldn't of asked for a second opinion which i did because my aim IS to get my post cycle therapy (pct) in check! My post cycle therapy (pct) now consists of 4 weeks clomid starting 3 weeks after my last jabs(week 13)! does this sound better??
PS: if you read through this entire thread you'll find i never started new threads for any other reason besides for the fact that i didn't know better!
what should i change about my diet????
this gets me so keen to just work so much harder so when i do get results i can come back and gloat!!!!
now firstly you dont know what my training consists of so what makes you the expert in knowing if its "in check"!
secondky i did follow advise... i was told to run decca and sus at 500mg sust and 300/400mg decca which i am doing! i've added d-bol(25mg ed for 1st 4weeks) as a jump start which i've also been told is just fine!!! thats all! i was under the impression my initial post cycle therapy (pct) was fine because thats how i was advised, clearly if i was 100% sure about it i wouldn't of asked for a second opinion which i did because my aim IS to get my post cycle therapy (pct) in check! My post cycle therapy (pct) now consists of 4 weeks clomid starting 3 weeks after my last jabs(week 13)! does this sound better??
PS: if you read through this entire thread you'll find i never started new threads for any other reason besides for the fact that i didn't know better!
what should i change about my diet????
this gets me so keen to just work so much harder so when i do get results i can come back and gloat!!!!
zephyrdaz
Grumpy old Git
I personally don't think your ready to be doing steroids, this is not a personal attack on you just my opinion.
They are not the magic potion that almost every newbie thinks they are and newbies always seem to want to be doing large amounts of various steroids for their first cycle. Your not the first and you wont be the last.
Before using them you should have reached your full potential without and your diet and training should be spot on. I personally wouldn't put anything in my body until I have fully understood all the ramifications of what I was doing and before I did gear the first time I listened to people who really knew what they were on about, as that was before there was really was an internet and the people I training with were professional champion body builders with years of experience.
Use of and the steroids themselves since then have changed and I constantly try to keep up to date and even now am learning new things constantly and before I change anything I make sure I know everything I can and understand what it may do to my body. I’ve only got one after all.
Before you started your cycle others and myself advised against what you were planning and for a first cycle, I certainly do not think it is at all appropriate I certainly would not recommend dbol or Deca, Sust IMO is not good either, though others will disagree, that is my feeling on the subject.
A first cycle should only consist of 1 compound Test E or Test C at 500mg for 12 weeks and nothing else. That’s for good reasons, as you do not know how you are going to react to these different compounds in your body and Test should be the basis of all your cycles. Test E was my first cycle and I appreciate the people at the time making me do it that way.
As you had already started your cycle and you are already committed to it, I have tried to offer you the best advice I can. All I can say further is good luck, I hope you don’t get any problems and if you want any questions answered then I will always try my best to answer them for you.
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Strega
The Hot Mess
1) If you are waking up and training first thing in the morning for 4 or 5 days a week for one hour, your training is not in check if you are a first timer bulking.
2) You did NOT follow the advice which was to use ONLY test as a first cycle.
Let me explain this clearly for you... If you use more than one compound in your first cycle how will you know what copound is giving you trouble when said trouble arises or how to deal with it?
3) Who's advice did you take? Some jackoff that doesnt have a clue either?
4) Go to the diet forum and READ the stickys and comprehend what they say.
Your timing is all out of whack for what you are trying to achieve and it looks almost too clean to be a bulker. I have no idea what your caloric intake is or the nutritional breakdown because you didnt give amounts, but it is obvious that your timing is way off.
5) If you want real advice give stats such as age, weight, height, body fat percentage, years training, what your training routine looks like and how often, and lastly tell us your diet in detail such as what you eat, how much you eat and when.
6) lastly, do not take advice from anyone on this board till you have an understanding of who is who here. There are many guys that know less than you who give advice freely and often. Look at post count critically. If a guy has over 1000 post and has only been here a month or two that should raise a red flag. If one of the mods gives you advice its probably sound as is advice from guys that have been here for 3 or 4 years, but even then you should do as much of your own research as possible befor soliciting advice from people you dont know. You may as well just ask guys off the street what they would do.
2) You did NOT follow the advice which was to use ONLY test as a first cycle.
Let me explain this clearly for you... If you use more than one compound in your first cycle how will you know what copound is giving you trouble when said trouble arises or how to deal with it?
3) Who's advice did you take? Some jackoff that doesnt have a clue either?
4) Go to the diet forum and READ the stickys and comprehend what they say.
Your timing is all out of whack for what you are trying to achieve and it looks almost too clean to be a bulker. I have no idea what your caloric intake is or the nutritional breakdown because you didnt give amounts, but it is obvious that your timing is way off.
5) If you want real advice give stats such as age, weight, height, body fat percentage, years training, what your training routine looks like and how often, and lastly tell us your diet in detail such as what you eat, how much you eat and when.
6) lastly, do not take advice from anyone on this board till you have an understanding of who is who here. There are many guys that know less than you who give advice freely and often. Look at post count critically. If a guy has over 1000 post and has only been here a month or two that should raise a red flag. If one of the mods gives you advice its probably sound as is advice from guys that have been here for 3 or 4 years, but even then you should do as much of your own research as possible befor soliciting advice from people you dont know. You may as well just ask guys off the street what they would do.
thanks alot its good to know there is someone willing to still help.. look i know i'm prob being stubborn but i'll finish this cycle and keep you posted! yhanks bro!!!!!
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