Finished my first cycle ever! My experiences, results and advice to others

MrDude808

The Reason Waldos' Hiding
First off, I'd like to thank all the helpful people on this board because everything I know, I learned from you guys and the helpful articles throughout the site.

Cycle:
Test E @ 250mg 2x a week (Weeks 1-13)
Dbol @ 50mg ED (Weeks 1-6)

PCT: (currently still on going)
Nolvadex 20/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50/50

Pre-cycle stats & lifts:
Height: 5'8
Weight: 178
Age: 22
Experience: Training for 4 years

Benchpress: 245lb 1RM
Deadlifts: 225lb 5x5
Squats: 220lb 5x5

Post-cycle stats & lifts:
Height: Same (that would've been funny if this increased)
Weight: 208lb
Age: Same

Benchpress: 310lb 1RM
Deadlifts: 405lb 5x5
Squats: 350lb 5x5

Experiences:
When I first started, my strength and motivation instantly increased, but, that was not because of the gear, it was just the placebo affect of knowing I was using the stuff. Same thing usually occurred when I started taking a new supplement I bought from my local GNC. It was not until the 4th week I noticed something was going on. My lifts greatly increased, I was very hungry all the time and aggression and motivation dramatically increased in the gym. And I'm not gonna lie, it was a awesome feeling.

After I finished my cycle, and started PCT, I kept my mass (water weight definitely went away) but lift strength did go down. I also started cutting during my PCT which led to further weight loss. But the muscle is staying for the most part and I'm more cut than I've ever been before, still a long way to go though.

Side Effects, both bad and good:
1. By far, the worst side effect I had during this whole cycle was acne. I already had a slight case of acne, and then when I started using gear, it got a whole lot worse. I had it on my upper arms, chest, shoulders and entire back by the end. I'm still in the process of trying to get rid of it and am seeing a dermatologist on what I can do to fully treat it.

2. INTENSE muscle pumps. During my back and bicep days, I would get such a strong pump in my forearms that it actually hurt to pick up weights. By the end of the workout, I could barely carry my 6lb gym bag home. This was both awesome and shitty at the same time. I loved the feeling, but it sometimes made it so hard to lift that I had to use gym straps to finish my workout.

3. Super horney! :laugh4: This one sure gave my friends a good laugh. I found almost all girls to be super attractive. Sex was almost always on my mind. Unfortunately, I'm single at the moment, so I had to just take a cold shower or take care of shit myself :(

4. Leg muscle cramps. This was very annoying. At the end of a hard workout, my legs would get very bad cramps, so bad they usually dropped me to the floor, I then had to sit there and wait for the pain to subside. I was also unable to do any kind of running because my calfs would cramp up. I upped my water intake to about 2+ gallons of water a day, this did help slightly, but it definitely did not solve the problem. I no longer get these cramps during my PCT.

5. I'm already somewhat short tempered, and the gear gave this a slight boost. Little things would sometimes really piss me off. I would have a sudden burst of bitching and or anger but this usually lasted no more than a few minutes. A lot of people say bitch fits are a myth when using gear, well, I believe it greatly depends on the person. I do experience them, just not severely.

6. Luckily for me, I didn't experience any gyno symptoms during my whole cycle *knock on wood*. And I hope this never shows it's ugly face during any of my future cycles.

My advice to people thinking about using:
For gods sake, for your first cycle, stick to a simple test only cycle! Even though I did use Dbol too, even that is somewhat pushing it. I see some people posting that they want to do deca, tren, sus, winstrol, anavar, test cycles for their very first cycle. Which is just a bad move in my opinion. The 2 main reasons I believe test only cycles are best is because one, you don't know how your body will react to the different substances. If you're taking a shit load of things for your first cycle, and you start seeing very bad side effects, you won't know whats causing it. The second reason being, you will make mistakes. I never handled a needle and syringe during my entire life. For my first injection, I didn't even know how to get the oil out of the vial. During that first injection, I fucked up so many times trying to get the oil out that I wasted about 1ml of it. That was hard earned money down the drain pretty much. And unless you're filthy rich, no one likes to waste money. You also have to get used to pinning and proper needle sizes. Like I learned I hate doing glute injections, I preferred quads, chest and biceps. Biceps being my favorite.

Last bit of advice being unbreakable motivation. If you're not consistent with your lifting, and diet. This stuff isn't for you. If you're not willing to push yourself as hard as you can, don't even bother. Gear doesn't do all the work, no matter how strong the substance. It is merely an aid.

It is also important that you are at your genetic max. Now I do admit I started early, being just 22. It is best to wait till at least 25.. but alas, I'm stubborn and impatient so I took the leap. But I was sure I did all my research, and took all safety precautions possible.


And that about covers it :D Hope you guys thought it was an interesting read. I also hope that my words of advice help those who are deciding on their first cycles.

Cheers guys.
 
looks really good,your strength gains were awesome,you indeed had a good cycle,and your weigh gains were indeed great,congrats my friend
 
Congrats. . . I think acne has alot to do w an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and length of cycle. . . over10-11 weeks seems to hit people hard IMO
 
First off, I'd like to thank all the helpful people on this board because everything I know, I learned from you guys and the helpful articles throughout the site.

Cycle:
Test E @ 250mg 2x a week (Weeks 1-13)
Dbol @ 50mg ED (Weeks 1-6)

PCT: (currently still on going)
Nolvadex 20/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50/50

Pre-cycle stats & lifts:
Height: 5'8
Weight: 178
Age: 22
Experience: Training for 4 years

Benchpress: 245lb 1RM
Deadlifts: 225lb 5x5
Squats: 220lb 5x5

Post-cycle stats & lifts:
Height: Same (that would've been funny if this increased)
Weight: 208lb
Age: Same

Benchpress: 310lb 1RM
Deadlifts: 405lb 5x5
Squats: 350lb 5x5

Experiences:
When I first started, my strength and motivation instantly increased, but, that was not because of the gear, it was just the placebo affect of knowing I was using the stuff. Same thing usually occurred when I started taking a new supplement I bought from my local GNC. It was not until the 4th week I noticed something was going on. My lifts greatly increased, I was very hungry all the time and aggression and motivation dramatically increased in the gym. And I'm not gonna lie, it was a awesome feeling.

After I finished my cycle, and started PCT, I kept my mass (water weight definitely went away) but lift strength did go down. I also started cutting during my PCT which led to further weight loss. But the muscle is staying for the most part and I'm more cut than I've ever been before, still a long way to go though.

Side Effects, both bad and good:
1. By far, the worst side effect I had during this whole cycle was acne. I already had a slight case of acne, and then when I started using gear, it got a whole lot worse. I had it on my upper arms, chest, shoulders and entire back by the end. I'm still in the process of trying to get rid of it and am seeing a dermatologist on what I can do to fully treat it.

2. INTENSE muscle pumps. During my back and bicep days, I would get such a strong pump in my forearms that it actually hurt to pick up weights. By the end of the workout, I could barely carry my 6lb gym bag home. This was both awesome and shitty at the same time. I loved the feeling, but it sometimes made it so hard to lift that I had to use gym straps to finish my workout.

3. Super horney! :laugh4: This one sure gave my friends a good laugh. I found almost all girls to be super attractive. Sex was almost always on my mind. Unfortunately, I'm single at the moment, so I had to just take a cold shower or take care of shit myself :(

4. Leg muscle cramps. This was very annoying. At the end of a hard workout, my legs would get very bad cramps, so bad they usually dropped me to the floor, I then had to sit there and wait for the pain to subside. I was also unable to do any kind of running because my calfs would cramp up. I upped my water intake to about 2+ gallons of water a day, this did help slightly, but it definitely did not solve the problem. I no longer get these cramps during my PCT.

5. I'm already somewhat short tempered, and the gear gave this a slight boost. Little things would sometimes really piss me off. I would have a sudden burst of bitching and or anger but this usually lasted no more than a few minutes. A lot of people say bitch fits are a myth when using gear, well, I believe it greatly depends on the person. I do experience them, just not severely.

6. Luckily for me, I didn't experience any gyno symptoms during my whole cycle *knock on wood*. And I hope this never shows it's ugly face during any of my future cycles.

My advice to people thinking about using:
For gods sake, for your first cycle, stick to a simple test only cycle! Even though I did use Dbol too, even that is somewhat pushing it. I see some people posting that they want to do deca, tren, sus, winstrol, anavar, test cycles for their very first cycle. Which is just a bad move in my opinion. The 2 main reasons I believe test only cycles are best is because one, you don't know how your body will react to the different substances. If you're taking a shit load of things for your first cycle, and you start seeing very bad side effects, you won't know whats causing it. The second reason being, you will make mistakes. I never handled a needle and syringe during my entire life. For my first injection, I didn't even know how to get the oil out of the vial. During that first injection, I fucked up so many times trying to get the oil out that I wasted about 1ml of it. That was hard earned money down the drain pretty much. And unless you're filthy rich, no one likes to waste money. You also have to get used to pinning and proper needle sizes. Like I learned I hate doing glute injections, I preferred quads, chest and biceps. Biceps being my favorite.

Last bit of advice being unbreakable motivation. If you're not consistent with your lifting, and diet. This stuff isn't for you. If you're not willing to push yourself as hard as you can, don't even bother. Gear doesn't do all the work, no matter how strong the substance. It is merely an aid.

It is also important that you are at your genetic max. Now I do admit I started early, being just 22. It is best to wait till at least 25.. but alas, I'm stubborn and impatient so I took the leap. But I was sure I did all my research, and took all safety precautions possible.


And that about covers it :D Hope you guys thought it was an interesting read. I also hope that my words of advice help those who are deciding on their first cycles.

Cheers guys.

coulda used this 30 days ago lol, good job man.
 
I just finished the exact same cycle as you .... just started my pct 2 weeks after last injection.

The only trouble i had was i needed to stay relatively fit for my job and continue cardio whilst on.

Just for comparison my stats went from:

Weight: 176 - 194
Squat : 225x5 - 330x3
Bench: 225x1 - 253x1
Deads: 264x5 - 440x1
Military: 110x3- 154x3

My eating in the last few weeks was very very bad.
 
I just finished the exact same cycle as you .... just started my pct 2 weeks after last injection.

The only trouble i had was i needed to stay relatively fit for my job and continue cardio whilst on.

Just for comparison my stats went from:

Weight: 176 - 194
Squat : 225x5 - 330x3
Bench: 225x1 - 253x1
Deads: 264x5 - 440x1
Military: 110x3- 154x3

My eating in the last few weeks was very very bad.

Why the hell is your military so low......
 
Great writeup bro, glad things went well.


Just out of interest, what are your lifts like now? ie, how much strength did you lose after going off the gear?
 
great write up man, jsut finshed my first cycle as well. I'm still dealing with acne on my back but I had great strength and weight gains. I was able to keep almost everything but against peoples advice I ran tren a with my test. Regret it. Shoulda stuck with test only first cycle. After knowing this now my next cycle here coming up will be a test e only cycle, just at an increased amount. Anyway, congrats
 
Glad you guys enjoyed the read :D And thanks for all the compliments.

Great writeup bro, glad things went well.


Just out of interest, what are your lifts like now? ie, how much strength did you lose after going off the gear?

They dropped quite a bit unfortunately.. but I contribute this to my sudden diet change when I started cutting immediately after my cycle. I went from eating 5k+ calories to about 2300 calories.. and this is a Keto diet which means I have no carbs for energy. Like dumbbell press for example, on cycle I was doing 110lb's 5x.. Now I can do 95lb's 6x.. noticeable strength decrease, but not enough to really be sad about.

how did u feel on dbol? 50 is really high for a 1st timer and how did u dose it?

I felt fine on Dbol, the Dbol is more than likely what gave me that extreme muscle pump that pretty much never went away. I did it @ 50mg ED and I spread the dosage out throughout the day (10mg pills). I would take one right when I woke up, and would take another 3 hours later, I would repeat until I got my 50mg.
 
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dbol + Winstrol

hey, good first cycle! Glad you got good results.

I'm planning on starting my first cycle shortly!
I have dbol, winstrol, nolva and clomid.

if anybody can give me there opinion on how to run them, 6 weeks i am aiming for, would be much appreciated.

P.S i am aware they are both 17aa orals and are harsh on the liver, i am unable to do jabs as they are in your system too long. i have my reasons for needing to be "clean" most of the time.

I, am 25...5"8' weighing in at 175 with roughly 10% BF.

Thanks guys
 
If it were me I'd wait well until my post cycle therapy (pct) was over with to consider dropping my calories. Especially if you're an ectomorph. You're gonna wind up losing a lot with this strategy I think. Best of luck though.
 
First off, I'd like to thank all the helpful people on this board because everything I know, I learned from you guys and the helpful articles throughout the site.

Cycle:
Test E @ 250mg 2x a week (Weeks 1-13)
Dbol @ 50mg ED (Weeks 1-6)

post cycle therapy (pct): (currently still on going)
Nolvadex 20/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50/50

Pre-cycle stats & lifts:
Height: 5'8
Weight: 178
Age: 22
Experience: Training for 4 years

Benchpress: 245lb 1RM
Deadlifts: 225lb 5x5
Squats: 220lb 5x5

Post-cycle stats & lifts:
Height: Same (that would've been funny if this increased)
Weight: 208lb
Age: Same

Benchpress: 310lb 1RM
Deadlifts: 405lb 5x5
Squats: 350lb 5x5

Experiences:
When I first started, my strength and motivation instantly increased, but, that was not because of the gear, it was just the placebo affect of knowing I was using the stuff. Same thing usually occurred when I started taking a new supplement I bought from my local GNC. It was not until the 4th week I noticed something was going on. My lifts greatly increased, I was very hungry all the time and aggression and motivation dramatically increased in the gym. And I'm not gonna lie, it was a awesome feeling.

After I finished my cycle, and started post cycle therapy (pct), I kept my mass (water weight definitely went away) but lift strength did go down. I also started cutting during my post cycle therapy (pct) which led to further weight loss. But the muscle is staying for the most part and I'm more cut than I've ever been before, still a long way to go though.

Side Effects, both bad and good:
1. By far, the worst side effect I had during this whole cycle was acne. I already had a slight case of acne, and then when I started using gear, it got a whole lot worse. I had it on my upper arms, chest, shoulders and entire back by the end. I'm still in the process of trying to get rid of it and am seeing a dermatologist on what I can do to fully treat it.

2. INTENSE muscle pumps. During my back and bicep days, I would get such a strong pump in my forearms that it actually hurt to pick up weights. By the end of the workout, I could barely carry my 6lb gym bag home. This was both awesome and shitty at the same time. I loved the feeling, but it sometimes made it so hard to lift that I had to use gym straps to finish my workout.

3. Super horney! :laugh4: This one sure gave my friends a good laugh. I found almost all girls to be super attractive. Sex was almost always on my mind. Unfortunately, I'm single at the moment, so I had to just take a cold shower or take care of shit myself :(

4. Leg muscle cramps. This was very annoying. At the end of a hard workout, my legs would get very bad cramps, so bad they usually dropped me to the floor, I then had to sit there and wait for the pain to subside. I was also unable to do any kind of running because my calfs would cramp up. I upped my water intake to about 2+ gallons of water a day, this did help slightly, but it definitely did not solve the problem. I no longer get these cramps during my post cycle therapy (pct).

5. I'm already somewhat short tempered, and the gear gave this a slight boost. Little things would sometimes really piss me off. I would have a sudden burst of bitching and or anger but this usually lasted no more than a few minutes. A lot of people say bitch fits are a myth when using gear, well, I believe it greatly depends on the person. I do experience them, just not severely.

6. Luckily for me, I didn't experience any gyno symptoms during my whole cycle *knock on wood*. And I hope this never shows it's ugly face during any of my future cycles.

My advice to people thinking about using:
For gods sake, for your first cycle, stick to a simple test only cycle! Even though I did use Dbol too, even that is somewhat pushing it. I see some people posting that they want to do deca, tren, sus, winstrol, anavar, test cycles for their very first cycle. Which is just a bad move in my opinion. The 2 main reasons I believe test only cycles are best is because one, you don't know how your body will react to the different substances. If you're taking a shit load of things for your first cycle, and you start seeing very bad side effects, you won't know whats causing it. The second reason being, you will make mistakes. I never handled a needle and syringe during my entire life. For my first injection, I didn't even know how to get the oil out of the vial. During that first injection, I fucked up so many times trying to get the oil out that I wasted about 1ml of it. That was hard earned money down the drain pretty much. And unless you're filthy rich, no one likes to waste money. You also have to get used to pinning and proper needle sizes. Like I learned I hate doing glute injections, I preferred quads, chest and biceps. Biceps being my favorite.

Last bit of advice being unbreakable motivation. If you're not consistent with your lifting, and diet. This stuff isn't for you. If you're not willing to push yourself as hard as you can, don't even bother. Gear doesn't do all the work, no matter how strong the substance. It is merely an aid.

It is also important that you are at your genetic max. Now I do admit I started early, being just 22. It is best to wait till at least 25.. but alas, I'm stubborn and impatient so I took the leap. But I was sure I did all my research, and took all safety precautions possible.


And that about covers it :D Hope you guys thought it was an interesting read. I also hope that my words of advice help those who are deciding on their first cycles.

Cheers guys.
Ok man this will be the cycle i will do for my second cycle but i was wondering if you could share your diet plan with me? and also my first cycle was almost a year and a half ago do you think that the time span there is to great for the kind of cycle? Thanks man really impressed with your progress!!
 
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Why do people keep on insisting on copying the original post? I think it's safe to assume your responding to it :rolleyes2
 
First off, I'd like to thank all the helpful people on this board because everything I know, I learned from you guys and the helpful articles throughout the site.

Cycle:
Test E @ 250mg 2x a week (Weeks 1-13)
Dbol @ 50mg ED (Weeks 1-6)

PCT: (currently still on going)
Nolvadex 20/20/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50/50

Pre-cycle stats & lifts:
Height: 5'8
Weight: 178
Age: 22
Experience: Training for 4 years

Benchpress: 245lb 1RM
Deadlifts: 225lb 5x5
Squats: 220lb 5x5

Post-cycle stats & lifts:
Height: Same (that would've been funny if this increased)
Weight: 208lb
Age: Same

Benchpress: 310lb 1RM
Deadlifts: 405lb 5x5
Squats: 350lb 5x5

Experiences:
When I first started, my strength and motivation instantly increased, but, that was not because of the gear, it was just the placebo affect of knowing I was using the stuff. Same thing usually occurred when I started taking a new supplement I bought from my local GNC. It was not until the 4th week I noticed something was going on. My lifts greatly increased, I was very hungry all the time and aggression and motivation dramatically increased in the gym. And I'm not gonna lie, it was a awesome feeling.

After I finished my cycle, and started PCT, I kept my mass (water weight definitely went away) but lift strength did go down. I also started cutting during my PCT which led to further weight loss. But the muscle is staying for the most part and I'm more cut than I've ever been before, still a long way to go though.

Side Effects, both bad and good:
1. By far, the worst side effect I had during this whole cycle was acne. I already had a slight case of acne, and then when I started using gear, it got a whole lot worse. I had it on my upper arms, chest, shoulders and entire back by the end. I'm still in the process of trying to get rid of it and am seeing a dermatologist on what I can do to fully treat it.

2. INTENSE muscle pumps. During my back and bicep days, I would get such a strong pump in my forearms that it actually hurt to pick up weights. By the end of the workout, I could barely carry my 6lb gym bag home. This was both awesome and shitty at the same time. I loved the feeling, but it sometimes made it so hard to lift that I had to use gym straps to finish my workout.

3. Super horney! :laugh4: This one sure gave my friends a good laugh. I found almost all girls to be super attractive. Sex was almost always on my mind. Unfortunately, I'm single at the moment, so I had to just take a cold shower or take care of shit myself :(

4. Leg muscle cramps. This was very annoying. At the end of a hard workout, my legs would get very bad cramps, so bad they usually dropped me to the floor, I then had to sit there and wait for the pain to subside. I was also unable to do any kind of running because my calfs would cramp up. I upped my water intake to about 2+ gallons of water a day, this did help slightly, but it definitely did not solve the problem. I no longer get these cramps during my PCT.

5. I'm already somewhat short tempered, and the gear gave this a slight boost. Little things would sometimes really piss me off. I would have a sudden burst of bitching and or anger but this usually lasted no more than a few minutes. A lot of people say bitch fits are a myth when using gear, well, I believe it greatly depends on the person. I do experience them, just not severely.

6. Luckily for me, I didn't experience any gyno symptoms during my whole cycle *knock on wood*. And I hope this never shows it's ugly face during any of my future cycles.

My advice to people thinking about using:
For gods sake, for your first cycle, stick to a simple test only cycle! Even though I did use Dbol too, even that is somewhat pushing it. I see some people posting that they want to do deca, tren, sus, winstrol, anavar, test cycles for their very first cycle. Which is just a bad move in my opinion. The 2 main reasons I believe test only cycles are best is because one, you don't know how your body will react to the different substances. If you're taking a shit load of things for your first cycle, and you start seeing very bad side effects, you won't know whats causing it. The second reason being, you will make mistakes. I never handled a needle and syringe during my entire life. For my first injection, I didn't even know how to get the oil out of the vial. During that first injection, I fucked up so many times trying to get the oil out that I wasted about 1ml of it. That was hard earned money down the drain pretty much. And unless you're filthy rich, no one likes to waste money. You also have to get used to pinning and proper needle sizes. Like I learned I hate doing glute injections, I preferred quads, chest and biceps. Biceps being my favorite.

Last bit of advice being unbreakable motivation. If you're not consistent with your lifting, and diet. This stuff isn't for you. If you're not willing to push yourself as hard as you can, don't even bother. Gear doesn't do all the work, no matter how strong the substance. It is merely an aid.

It is also important that you are at your genetic max. Now I do admit I started early, being just 22. It is best to wait till at least 25.. but alas, I'm stubborn and impatient so I took the leap. But I was sure I did all my research, and took all safety precautions possible.


And that about covers it :D Hope you guys thought it was an interesting read. I also hope that my words of advice help those who are deciding on their first cycles.

Cheers guys.

Thanks for the info
 
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