First AAS cycle w/ no SERM!

[ryand]

^^^sorry for the asshole title but I really wanted to get the attention of any vets and experienced users.

I wanted to wait until I was more well read on the subject but, I always like to get some word of mouth experience and opinions in the process. I've read so much shit lately about how SERMS nowadays are obsolete and it's more effective/safer to run HCG, OTC products, and AIs in post cycle therapy (pct) to restart htpa function---and to completely avoid SERMS.

I've actually read so much conflicting shit lately that I'm not comfortable with a solid post cycle therapy (pct) that I would have for the future. I need to start saving the articles I read but here are 2 big threads I've came across lately on elitefitness. Is this shit legit? Or is it just convincing/pushing legal OTC products onto people?

I'm 24 and haven't decided my future with AAS, but I do know it won't be for a few years. Thanks guys.

 

[RowsAreForTheHoes]

Oh shut up. Run a serm. There is a reason why they've been around for a while. I don't lnow where you read that shit but whoever wrote you don't need serms and use OTC meds should jump off a roof top. Prob bb.com. Lol. You people make this more complicated then it has to be. Also never believe have the shit you hear on these sites. A lot of it is personal experience and people who think they know it all.

 

[nescafe]

elitefitness is shit, everytime I go on that site I get a virus.

 

[juced_porkchop]

^^^sorry for the asshole title but I really wanted to get the attention of any vets and experienced users.

I wanted to wait until I was more well read on the subject but, I always like to get some word of mouth experience and opinions in the process. I've read so much shit lately about how SERMS nowadays are obsolete and it's more effective/safer to run HCG, OTC products, and AIs in post cycle therapy (pct) to restart htpa function---and to completely avoid SERMS.
not sure where you heard that but its BS.
HCG would HINDER recovery (why its used during or at tail end of cycle BEFORE post cycle therapy (pct) starts)

I've actually read so much conflicting shit lately that I'm not comfortable with a solid post cycle therapy (pct) that I would have for the future. I need to start saving the articles I read but here are 2 big threads I've came across lately on elitefitness. Is this shit legit? Or is it just convincing/pushing legal OTC products onto people?

I'm 24 and haven't decided my future with AAS, but I do know it won't be for a few years. Thanks guys.

im in red.


also you wan both an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and SERM on cycle, Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during and leading upto post cycle therapy (pct) (or into it if you are having alot of estro issues, but at that point you should not need it since your off the anabolics foru 1-2 weeks before starting post cycle therapy (pct))
HCG is not a must but i rec it on longer cycles of 14-16wks + and/or if your using compounds like deca or tren that seem hard on some
and i rec the HCG just at the tail end of cycle : last 4-5 weeks of cycle leading upto BUT NOT into post cycle therapy (pct), at 500iu 2X a week (about every 3-4 days)

all that is a MUST in my op is an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and a SERM

4 week post cycle therapy (pct):
Clomid 70/70/35/35mg

i rec also using tamox as a combo with it: 30/30/20/20mg

there are alot of supps that may help and boost recovery. i would NEVER rely on only them, i would add them in AFTER if anything.

also I am editing out your links out of respect to this forum, just heads up.

 

[ryand]

im in red.


also you wan both an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and SERM on cycle, Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during and leading upto pct (or into it if you are having alot of estro issues, but at that point you should not need it since your off the anabolics foru 1-2 weeks before starting pct)
HCG is not a must but i rec it on longer cycles of 14-16wks + and/or if your using compounds like deca or tren that seem hard on some
and i rec the HCG just at the tail end of cycle : last 4-5 weeks of cycle leading upto BUT NOT into PCT, at 500iu 2X a week (about every 3-4 days)

all that is a MUST in my op is an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and a SERM

4 week PCT:
Clomid 70/70/35/35mg

i rec also using tamox as a combo with it: 30/30/20/20mg

there are alot of supps that may help and boost recovery. i would NEVER rely on only them, i would add them in AFTER if anything.

also I am editing out your links out of respect to this forum, just heads up.

Sorry I should have been more clear with my post--These people are running standard AAS cycles that would be accepted on this forum.

I.e.-- HCG on cycle or blasted in the end (not during pct). And AI's used during cycle, or during pct as needed. The only difference is that they are considering SERMS obsolete and completely negating them during pct--they are using OTC products instead. So everything is in check, except the lack of a SERM.

^^I think this is incredibly stupid also but I wanted to bring up the subject because I've been reading a lot of interesting shit lately. A lot of people are doing this, and I know of a few that are about to start a log without SERMS in post cycle therapy (pct). So I'll let the lab rats do their work I suppose. Terrible idea not using a SERM imo.

And thanks for actually reading my post and giving some good input juiced, I appreciate it bro. No prob on the links.

Oh shut up. Run a serm. There is a reason why they've been around for a while. I don't lnow where you read that shit but whoever wrote you don't need serms and use OTC meds should jump off a roof top. Prob bb.com. Lol. You people make this more complicated then it has to be. Also never believe have the shit you hear on these sites. A lot of it is personal experience and people who think they know it all.

You obviously didn't read my post in its entirety.

 

[ryand]

BUMMPPP BUMP

I'd still like to hear from everyone who has constructive opinions/knowledge.

 

[vladiT]

The Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) debate will go on and on with opinions on both sides of the spectrum. You should just try for yourself

 

[_Romeo_]

BUMMPPP BUMP

I'd still like to hear from everyone who has constructive opinions/knowledge.

Been there done that... I am a member of the other board as well as a few others, and i know exactly which article you are talking about....didn't have that much knowledge as far as AAS back then, but i'd tell you this... If you lack the science behind it, common sense will always come to your rescue.

That particular site is pushing their sponsors products claiming it's "the standard PCT" and have a "case study" behind it, against the majority of respectable AAS sites that for ages have been preaching for the tried & true PCT without pushing any of their products down anyone's throat !!!! No thank you very much, i will take the latter... just my 2 cents.

 

[ryand]

Been there done that... I am a member of the other board as well as a few others, and i know exactly which article you are talking about....didn't have that much knowledge as far as AAS back then, but i'd tell you this... If you lack the science behind it, common sense will always come to your rescue.

That particular site is pushing their sponsors products claiming it's "the standard PCT" and have a "case study" behind it, against the majority of respectable AAS sites that for ages have been preaching for the tried & true PCT without pushing any of their products down anyone's throat !!!! No thank you very much, i will take the latter... just my 2 cents.

I agree, based on the info that is being posted AND the people they are being posted by...I feel like it's just a marketing scam to push these OTC products. If that's the case, and this is a matter of making money. These fuckers need to be thrown in jail.

 

[ryand]

The Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) debate will go on and on with opinions on both sides of the spectrum. You should just try for yourself

My question involved serms. I will always include Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle.

 

[MattPorter]

It can never hurt to just run a SERM...their cheap enough.

Then you can cover all ground and get good OTC pct products in combination.

Nothing to stress over --- stuff is too cheap.

-Matt

 

[ryand]

It can never hurt to just run a SERM...their cheap enough.

Then you can cover all ground and get good OTC pct products in combination.

Nothing to stress over --- stuff is too cheap.

-Matt

Thanks Matt. You're avatar is a lot more convincing than the assholes pushing these otc products hardcore lol. And money def isn't an issue but thanks for the info bro.

 

[MattPorter]

Thanks Matt. You're avatar is a lot more convincing than the assholes pushing these otc products hardcore lol. And money def isn't an issue but thanks for the info bro.

Let me know if you need coupons for research serms or OTC recovery products!

I will only support good companies

-Matt