first cycle ever, test, anavar

[zoolander007]

Alright, heres my situation. I'm about to start my first ever cycle on roids.

I'm 23 6'1 190 , and I'm on propecia ( finasteride) for 4 years now.

So I did a lot of reading but I still have some questions and I want to make sure to do the right choice. So the top 3 less side-effects for hairs and pretty much everything is Primo, Anavar and Deca. However primo is suppose to be not the best for hairs compare to the 2 others and Deca when taking Propecia is suppose to be even worst. So Anavar is fair choice for hairs and everyone seems to like their experience on it.

On other hand, I read everywhere that Test should be the first cycle because your body knows testosterone already. However theres a lot of androgene sides. Some people told me that since Im on Propecia, Test would work better because of the less DHT conversion and also a little less oestrogenes conversion because of propecia.

I also read about D-Bol and T-Bol being a good alternative.

So basically what would be the best with my propecia and the other sides. and if comes down too Test could I stack it on my first cycle with Anavar to give me more details and less water retention. Sould I start the Var on week 1 or on week 6 to 12?

Also I read about many Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and theres so much, Nolvadex, aromasin, Clomid, Letro , Adex and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) when should a start taking it?

Many questions I know, but If you guys wanna help me a bit, theres already 2 members who helped me but I feel I needed to start a new post about this.

Thanks

 

[var4me]

Sounds like you are doing some research which is definitely the way to go. Keep reading and get your self up to speed with post cycle therapy (pct). It would be unlikely (but not impossible) to get much if any side effects from test e in the 500mg per week range.

Anavar is a good, mild steroid as well that will harden you up and give you a strength boost. I would recommend taking it for the last weeks of your cycle to take advantage of the synergy of var and test working together rather than using it at the beginning as a crutch till the test kicks in.

 

[zoolander007]

ok so for you it would be better, test 500mg per week for like 10 week and the last 5-6 weeks anavar with it. And about propecia and the hair factor, do you apply to the theory that because of my propecia I block about 70% of DHT so if I take test I will still block 70% of DHT and just have more test, or I will haev more DHT conversion?

and for the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and all the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and post-cycle treatment, what would you recommend?

 

[zoolander007]

and by the way Test E, test Prop, or the blend of 4 different tests?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i would start with test e

 

[robbocopp]

Can I give you the bad news ??? Scarz is already fuming ...

If you're 20+ and for 4 years on finasteride - you are GOING to lose your hair. IMO it would be better to lose your hair (shave it off - go kojak) than to keep blocking DHT which could/might lead to other problems. Suck it up... keep it short.

Testosterone for cycle. Anavar by itself won't do much - maybe harden up a bit - will lower your testosterone. Deca without test - you are SO DEAD it is NOT FUNNY. Primo is nice but has even less effect than "anavar" (at equal quantities).

Test will affect your hairline - finasteride will help but....

run anavar towards the end of the cycle

run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from beginning to end of testosterone shots.

run post cycle therapy (pct) tamoxifen/exemestane for post cycle therapy (pct) -- 4 weeks tamoxifen - last week add exemestane.

you'll have a soft landing if you do Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during testosterone.

 

[Teutonic]

^^^^ Yup^^^^ R Cop know s his shit...

 

[Scarz]

lol robocop has good knowledge absolutely, but everytime he chimes in on steroids and hairloss relationship threads it "grinds my gears".
i would pay no mind to his hairloss posts.

 

[zoolander007]

ok so im leading to test E 500 mg per week for 10 weeks with anavar the last 5 weeks and maybe double my daily dose or finasteride ,anyway if I loose just a bit more hair its not that bad, but if Im shedding on Test , Ill stop sooner.

I thought Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) was towards the end, so I start on the first week too.

and Aromasin as a Aromatase inhibitor (AI), should I wait to see some gyno or I dont take chances and start Aramasin in the middle of my cycle for exemple.

And I think test E stays in your blood for 3 weeks right? so I start taking my nolvadex or clomid 3 weeks after my last injection?

 

[jackt]

If you're 20+ and for 4 years on finasteride - you are GOING to lose your hair. IMO it would be better to lose your hair (shave it off - go kojak) than to keep blocking DHT which could/might lead to other problems. Suck it up... keep it short.

Do not listen to this

It bothers me when people come on here to ask for information regarding hairloss and aas and they get misguided, or worse, the advise they get is to shave it off and get over it. Hair is important to alot of us, and there are ways to integrate aas without destroying it.

your research is good, var is safe on hair, and prop or enan will be ok if you stay consistant with your fina, maybe even add some topical spiro during cycle

 

[zoolander007]

thanks jackt!

by adding spiro, you mean like topical minoxidil right?

and for my fina intake, my daily dose is only 1 pill of 5 mg per day, and it says that even if you take 4X more it wont give more result. But while on AAS like Test , do you think I should double my daily dose or like normal I keep taking my normal daily dose?

thanks jackt

 

[robbocopp]

if you are 24 and already on finasteride for 4 years you are fighting a LOSING battle. Unless there's some breakthrough on stem cell regrowth you will still lose your hair (just more slowly).

YES - you can take finasteride - hell, up the dose to 5mgs/day (like for prostate problems) and at that dose you'll probably lose very little hair if at all (or very little) - add MINOXIDIL as much as you want - that won't hurt any.

The question YOU have to ask and answer for yourself -- IS IT WORTH IT??? Hell, I love my hair too - but, there's a price to pay and if the "bill" shows up later you might think the price is WAY too high.

 

[LeroyB]

HCG should be started the second week of your cycle, you can also start it sooner, but basically it to keep your balls pumping. The first 2 weeks on Test E is a little bit misleading as it takes 3 weeks plus for it to realyl start working, so I always start my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2 weeks into a Test E cycle.
For your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) - You can take .25mg EOD or just wait till you think you need it. If you dont feel any gyno coming on or much bloat then dont take it. If you do then start, its fine to do it this way and blocking estro can hinder your gains as well.
As far as the rest of your post cycle therapy (pct) - What do you have in mind.

Cheers!
Just because I feel the need to say it:
I think your too young for AAS.
25+ only in my opinion.

 

[Scarz]

if you are 24 and already on finasteride for 4 years you are fighting a LOSING battle. Unless there's some breakthrough on stem cell regrowth you will still lose your hair (just more slowly).

YES - you can take finasteride - hell, up the dose to 5mgs/day (like for prostate problems) and at that dose you'll probably lose very little hair if at all (or very little) - add MINOXIDIL as much as you want - that won't hurt any.

The question YOU have to ask and answer for yourself -- IS IT WORTH IT??? Hell, I love my hair too - but, there's a price to pay and if the "bill" shows up later you might think the price is WAY too high.

^do not listen to this.


robocop, i can tell u have some good knowledge when u post, but u need to stop posting misleading information bro. Telling someone to increase their finasteride dose to 5mg, telling someone to use as much minoxidil as they want, and telling someone they're going to lose they're hair anyway is all bullshit bro. just because u have zero value for ure hair does not mean the next person does. when someone wants come here for help in battling their hair loss, on or off steroids, stop giving them false and misleading information. we've been through this before bro.

 

[robbocopp]

^do not listen to this.


robocop, i can tell u have some good knowledge when u post, but u need to stop posting misleading information bro. Telling someone to increase their finasteride dose to 5mg, telling someone to use as much minoxidil as they want, and telling someone they're going to lose they're hair anyway is all bullshit bro. just because u have zero value for ure hair does not mean the next person does. when someone wants come here for help in battling their hair loss, on or off steroids, stop giving them false and misleading information. we've been through this before bro.

one word of advice - KOJAK ...

But "misleading" ???? Please ...

5mg finasteride is standard dosage for benign prostate growth (I KNOW this) - it will stop DHT conversion, hair loss ... and, uhhmmm... your dick from getting hard.

minoxidil - who cares... you might get headaches if you bathe in it.

I never said you can't "stop" (substantially slow down) hair loss - I said (with some humor) that IMO it isn't worth it cause the long term side-effects of blocking DHT conversion are likely to affect your health whereas losing your hair is only likely to raise you SPF lotion rating

KOJAK -- Telly was beautiful ... and Bruce Willis is making it cool.

 

[robbocopp]

^do not listen to this.



In response to "do NOT listen to this" I am posting for those who use PROPECIA or FINASTERIDE a link to a forum dedicated to studies and users with problems DUE to finasteride usage.

PROPECIAHELP: Unresolved Finasteride Propecia Proscar side effects info & forum

Again, it is my advice to go Kojak - not based on a sense of humor - but due to the fact that altering your endocrine system for YEARS for the sole purpose of slowing down hair-loss might be a very high price to pay.

Will start a new thread on this ...

 

[Scarz]

ure an fool for trying to lead people astray from a a good hair loss product approved out of 2 treatments for hair loss by the fda. every fuckin medication comes with side effects. if u had a brain u would know that people who post their issues on the forums are but a tiny, less than 1%, of the people who take the drug. if they weren't having sides do u think they would come on the forum lookin for advise? or do u actually think that ure little forum here consists of all the people in the world taking finasteride? no, the rest of the 99% have no reason to come online because they're enjoying their lives not worrying about sides or their hair. i've never come across a person in real life that had an issue with finasteride.

i'm literally tired of ure misguidance and misinformation. take this as a warning my friend. u obviously have a good amount of knowledge but apparently u dont know how to use ure brain.

seems like ure doing whatever it takes to convince people to join ure kojak club. wut do u do? sell vegetable oil to rub on a bald head for regrowth? do u have something better in mind for folks to take who suffer from this uncalled-disease?

i can write a book on hair loss and hair loss treatments and will be posting an article on hair loss and steroids after the holidays. stay tuned, u might learn something.

 

[Scarz]

i don't even know where to start correcting ure garbage info.

 

[robbocopp]

you HAVE come across one person with serious side-effects issues - ME - as I have stated previously.

The rest is a forum (that I posted) ... people sharing their stories and medical studies listed there.

I don't think you'll find anything I have said to be incorrect. If so, tell me what !

you can give me "INFRACTIONS" for disagreeing with you but it doesn't make what I said WRONG. Hell, ban me for advising users NOT to use finasteride without considering the alternative OR the consequences - that's a smart thing.

Your prostate IS part of your endocrine system - a 2x1cm gland at the base of your pennis - blocking DHT affects IT and much else - MOST people recover from it upon discontinuation but not all AND no studies longer than 4 years were ever done.

But, read what all those studies had to say - and what all those people who are complaining have to say.

 

[zoolander007]

hey, ok stop arguing guys, I mean thanks for the advices, Scarz specially because of the many questions I had loll!

But Robo, it's not cool you had a lot of sides effects when you were on Propecia. But like Scarz said and like all studies show, its only less than 5% , probably even closer than 2%. because I dont have any sides from taking Propecia and I've been taking it for 3 years and a half. And I know many friends who just like me have no problems taking it and there very happy to keep their hair, at least for couple years more.

And btw , RObbo you said that Propecia gives you a limp dick! well that def sucks for you, but once again its less than 5% bro. I have 0 problem getting a hard erection loll! No problem with my libido either, I think about sex at least 10 times a day, it hasnt changed from when I was 16 lol!

So the bottom line is, I know I wont keep my hair forever, but since im taking Propecia It slowed down quite a lot and Im very happy about it. Plus my sides effects are second to none !

So im starting next week my low dose of Test with Anavar and im positif it wont affect a lot my hair.

happy new year guys!