first cycle help

[wifyonk]

hello,im here because i need advice and help,firstly i have a very good diet and i train well and im committed,with that said i will be going on vacation for a couple of weeks when i get back im planning on 2 weeks on the milk thistle to help the liver from all the alcohol lol,then id like to do my first m-drol cycle,this is where i get lost there is soooo much info on the net all different and confusing im in the uk so getting hold of things seems hard sometimes,what would you recommend i do before during and after ,and what support and supplements should i take with the m-drol,and after thanks for any help you can give me

 

[wifyonk]

or would something else be better than mdrol ?

 

[wifyonk]

this is what im thinking
2 weeks milk thistle then 4 weeks mdrol 20/20/20/20 with the milk thistle and then 30 days of (BBS) Complete post cycle therapy (pct) is that enough ? would i see any gains ,is there anything else i should use ?

 

[MMA732]

What does your post cycle therapy (pct) consist of?

 

[wifyonk]

thanks for the reply.i hope this is what you meant ?the complete post cycle therapy (pct) has this
- Trans Resveratrol
- ATD (1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione)
- Agaricus Bisporus Mushroom Extract (30% Polysaccharides)... Read more
- Eurocoma longfolia
- Incarian 50% extract
- Forsklin 95% extract (forslean)
- NAC
- Milk Thistle
- Cranberry Extract
- Nettle Root
- Hawthorne Berry
- Saw Palmetto
- Cissus Quadralangurais
- Chastberry Extract

In addition to this, they pack in a multi-vitamin complex that includes:

- Vit. A (Palmitate 250 Miu/gm)
- Vit. A (Beta Corotene 167 Miu/gm)
- Vit. C (Ascorbic Acid)
- Vit. D (Cholecalciferol 100 Miu/gm)
- Vit. E (D Alpha Toco Ac 700 Miu/gm)
- Vit.B1 (Thiamine HCL)
- Vit. B2 (Riboflavin)
- Niacin (Niacinamide)
- Vit. B6 (Pyridoxine HCL)
- Vit. B12
- Folic Acid
- Biotin (Bitrit)
- Pan Acid (D. Cal Pan)
- Potassium Iodide
- Inositol
- PABA
- Betaine HC
- Bromalain
- Boron A AC

is that enough or would you advise something else before i start the cycle ?or during

 

[wifyonk]

i was going to run the milkthistle throughout the whole cycle and for 2 weeks after,like i said it will be my first cycle so before i start i want to get it right and get all the things i need ,all the advice i get will make it a safer cycle,or would you recommend this ?Gaspari Novedex XT for the post cycle therapy (pct) and take it 2 weeks before with the milkthistle then drop it for the mdrol weeks then start it again for 3 weeks after

 

[shaggz]

i was going to run the milkthistle throughout the whole cycle and for 2 weeks after,like i said it will be my first cycle so before i start i want to get it right and get all the things i need ,all the advice i get will make it a safer cycle,or would you recommend this ?Gaspari Novedex XT for the pct and take it 2 weeks before with the milkthistle then drop it for the mdrol weeks then start it again for 3 weeks after

Clomid should probably be the basis of your PCT,
your BBS has good stuff in it, but A lot of the stuff in the BBS seems to be oriented towards organ support, and you need that during the cycle just as much as after

 

[wifyonk]

thanks for the reply so would this be better ?
2 weeks bbs complete + milk thistle then start the mdrol 20/20/20/20 and continue with the milk thistle and the bbs throughout the cycle then keep the bbs complete and this ?trustytablets.com/clomid.htm for 3 weeks after the mdrol ?see told you i needed help lol ,also i was told that m drol wasn't suitable for a first cycle ?does anyone know of a good supplier of clomid in the uk ?or could i go with the gaspari novedex ?

 

[shaggz]

thanks for the reply so would this be better ?
2 weeks bbs complete + milk thistle then start the mdrol 20/20/20/20 and continue with the milk thistle and the bbs throughout the cycle then keep the bbs complete and this ?trustytablets.com/clomid.htm for 3 weeks after the mdrol ?see told you i needed help lol ,also i was told that m drol wasn't suitable for a first cycle ?does anyone know of a good supplier of clomid in the uk ?or could i go with the gaspari novedex ?

I dont think you need to preload with the BBS, just the milk thistle IMO.

I want to say use the BBS during the whole cycle, and during PCT- but the only thing I question it is because it contains ATD, which is a AI(aromatose inhibitor). this BBS combines organ support supplents AND an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). which is all good stuff(usually most people buy the two separtly).. but I dont think taking the BBS the whole cycle(running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) the whole time) is necarily a good idea. Maybe some wisdom from MMA would be helpful - he knows a lot more about AI's and timing for them.

and by the way, what is your age, and weight? how about some stats?

 

[wifyonk]

age 33
weight 177.8 just finished a cutting diet i was 195 lost virtually no size from my arms and legs and went down 2 waist sizes im now back to a 32 waist
and my height is 5' 6"
my diet is strict and right and i do well when i train ,i just seem to have come to a limit and was hoping a pro cycle might break me through it,so maybe if i ran the bbs complete for the post cycle therapy (pct) and used cel cycle assist with the mdrol we get away from the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) problem
cel cycle assist contains the following
N-Acetyl-l-Cysteine 750 mg
Milk Thistle (standardized to 80% Silymarin) 500 mg
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5) 500 mg
Hawthorn Berry Extract (standardized to 1.8% Vitexin) 300 mg
Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL) 200 mg
Saw Palmetto Extract (standardized to 45% Fatty Acids) 160 mg
Celery Seed Extract (10:1) 75 mg
Grape Seed Extract (95% Proanthocyanidins) 75 mg
Policosanol 20 mg
Zinc Gluconate 15 mg


Other Ingredients: Magnesium Stearate
im also currently taking Acetyl L Carnitine but will have finished that next week

 

[AznTomahawk]

U need a different PCT. Im not familar with how easy it is to get a SERM in the UK. Yes use CEL's Cycle Assist while on cycle. Id say get a SERM and stack it with the BBS PCT.

 

[wifyonk]

not sure where to get clomid in the uk as that would be the option i think but what about this ?? BPI Arimedex HD or Competitive Edge post cycle therapy (pct) Assist ? wouldnt they do the same as clomid ?just not as direct ?

 

[wifyonk]

seems getting nova or clomid in the uk is hard unless anyone can help ?would this do the same ? ANDROHARD from primordial ,i wont start this cycle now without the right pct or can someone tell me something i can use available in the uk

 

[AznTomahawk]

seems getting nova or clomid in the uk is hard unless anyone can help ?would this do the same ? ANDROHARD from primordial ,i wont start this cycle now without the right post cycle therapy (pct) or can someone tell me something i can use available in the uk

NOOOO AndroHard is not part of post cycle therapy (pct).

Sorry just wanted to make sure that point was clear. Pretty sure u cant post sources on this forum so I def wont.

If u can get a SERM than I would say go OTC with Needtobuildmuscle.

Pick up HCGenerate, Unleased+Post Cyle Combo at
Products > Post Cycle Therapy - Support Supplements
There is a sale going on right now where u can save 25% off ur order until Friday with the code AM25.

 

[wifyonk]

wow thanks for the heads up,ok so can anyone who has an idea where in the uk i can get a serm pm me please,but other than that whats this like for the pct,unleashed and post cycle from needtobuildmuscle ,and stack it with the bbs complete i was talking about earlier ? or wouldnt i need the bbs,do needtobuildmuscle have something else that could help me ?

 

[AznTomahawk]

Im running HCGenerate by needtobuildmuscle and its day 6 of my post cycle therapy (pct) and I can tell a difference. Libido is up and the boys r hard at work.

 

[wifyonk]

lol thanks ,so is that all your running ? i might stack that with the other s the more recovery and protection the better

 

[AznTomahawk]

lol thanks ,so is that all your running ? i might stack that with the other s the more recovery and protection the better

Oh Im going all out on this PCT. No questions about me recovering lol.

HCGenerate, clomid, TCF-1, Toco-8, Sustain Alpha TD on the balls all from the start. Starting week 3 I will add Erase by PES.

 

[wifyonk]

ok so it seems i cant lay my hands on a genuine serm in the uk ,so hows this for the pct ?unleashed and post cycle from needtobuildmuscle and then stack it with the hcgenerate,reduce the amounts of all on the 3rd week and filter them out completely on the 5th ?

 

[AznTomahawk]

ok so it seems i cant lay my hands on a genuine serm in the uk ,so hows this for the post cycle therapy (pct) ?unleashed and post cycle from needtobuildmuscle and then stack it with the hcgenerate,reduce the amounts of all on the 3rd week and filter them out completely on the 5th ?

U can just run them the same straight through man no need to taper down.