First Cycle / Layout - Test E / Winny

Prototype99

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I've been planning out a first AAS cycle for quite some time now, and have settled on Test eth (test base), pinning Winstrol (winny) midway through for the purpose of reducing bloat, increasing density, and of course for the strength gains.

I have definitely considered tossing in different compounds as opposed to Winstrol (winny) (mainly TBol), as I hear very mixed reviews regarding the compound. Nonetheless, gotta see how my body reacts to it myself.

I think it should be an excellent addition to a test cycle, as test would reduce the commonly mentioned joint issues, while Winstrol (winny) would reduce bloat associated with test.


Nonetheless, onto the cycle.

Stats:
5'10 / 177lbs / ~9.5%bf

I'm running the cycle with the intention of reaching a weight of roughly 185-190 while optimally dropping bodyfat. The focus of this cycle is to increase my functional strength and mass slightly. I participate in breakdancing and other athletics involving the manipulation of one's own bodyweight, so need to maintain a good strength/bodyweight ratio (thus winny)

The cycle:
12 weeks test eth / 7 weeks winny.

Weeks 1-4
- Test Eth @ 80mg ED (560mg weekly)
--I have no problems with pinning daily, as I used to shoot B12 frequently. I am considering running test eth as its longer halflife would lead to more stable bloodlevels.

Weeks 5-12
-Test Eth @ 50mg ED (350mg weekly)
-Winny @ 50mg ED (350mg weekly)

Weeks 5/6/8/9 11/12/13/14
-250IU Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 2x weekly (500 IU's per week)
My vials provide 2,000 IU's per, making it suitable to crack open two (seeing as how there are no decimals, only wasted product with HCG). This makes 2 4 week runs to be split among the cycle.

Week 13-
120mg daily Torem

Week 14-
90mg daily Torem

Week 15-
60mg daily Torem

Week 16-
30mg daily Torem

Cycle support products I have on hand and would be kept close incase I begin feeling sides, I will run milk thistle, flax seed, and hawthorn berry wether I feel sides or not, as I'm sure this would cause no problems. (hawthorn berry preloaded 2 weeks ahead due to the blood pressure spike caused during its loading phase)


From what I've been hearing, people run test @ 250mg weekly (on occassion) and 500mg weekly as the norm. (first cycle).

Winny tends to be ran 50-80mg daily for 6-8 weeks.

Seeing as how this is my first cycle, I see no need to push the envelope and attempt to max out my dosages. I will start with a frontload of test to raise my bloodlevels to the appropriate range, then drop the test dosage as I add in winny.

HCG will be ran in 2 strips in the cycle to prevent excessive testicular atrophy and an easy recovery (combined with torem, should be smooth).


I'm making this post if any vets care to chime in and suggest modifications to the cycle / starting the torem later in the cycle to allow more test to clear the system before beginning pct, or what

Seeing as how this is my first cycle, I am definitely open to input and just want to make sure this gets done right.
 
First cycle is best suited by running test alone.
Definitely not the first time I've seen that said, Is the only for the reason to feel out your individual response to test more accurately?

Nonetheless, my modification to make this into a test only cycle, would be to bump the test dosage to 130mg EOD test E (making it 420mg weekly). With that tweak, everything look fine?

Moved to the appropriate forum.....

Sorry, I was browsing multiple forums @ the same time D: haha
 
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Welcome dude
Test e 500 a week..2 pin s.. mon-thursday
only for now...unless your waaay advanced..shelve the Winstrol (winny) for now...pointless..
 
Definitely not the first time I've seen that said, Is the only for the reason to feel out your individual response to test more accurately?

There are two reasons.

The first is just as you said to access your rate of arom., androgenic side effects etc. It is important to know this because testosterone is the base of every stack you do. So by doing just test alone you can figure out it's effects. If you have no side effects, then run say a test dbol stack and start having gyno issues you know it is the dbol.

The second reason is the body reacts to the introduction of AS by increasing catabolism. Therefore you want to slowly up the dosages and compounds per cycle to maximize the gains you will be able to get long term. I.E. You use 500mg of test if you go back and use the same dose again you will notice your gains will not be on par with the first cycle because your body has adapted.

Nonetheless, my modification to make this into a test only cycle, would be to bump the test dosage to 130mg EOD test E (making it 420mg weekly). With that tweak, everything look fine?

Your using a long ester twice a week is fine. Do exactly what Teutonic said and you will be fine. You only pin EOD with Test. Prop. and ED with Test suspension.
 
Sounds excellent, I will be starting this run around Janurary I assume, I just wanted to finish reading up and finalizing the layout long before the cycle.

500 weekly, 12 weeks it is. Test Eth

Torem begins 2 weeks after last shot to allow test to clear system, correct?
And any thoughts on when to drop the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in to ease the offcycle transition?
 
Sounds excellent, I will be starting this run around Janurary I assume, I just wanted to finish reading up and finalizing the layout long before the cycle.

500 weekly, 12 weeks it is. Test Eth

Torem begins 2 weeks after last shot to allow test to clear system, correct?
And any thoughts on when to drop the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in to ease the offcycle transition?

2 ways to run hcg
low dose throughout the cycle and stopping right before pct starts
high doses at the end
imo low dose throught is the way to go , that keeps testicular atrophy from happening instead of trying to reverse it.

maybe 250-300 iu every 4 days or so from the 1st week on.
 
This isnt my first cycle but it's my first stack of test E and winni..should I start off with the stack off the bat or ad the winni mid cycle?
 
read cashout's "faield pct" thread. also you may want to bump Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500iu's twice a week. 250x2 week is not going to do much..if anything.
 
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