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Hi guys my friend and i are looking to do our first proper cycle, we have used epistane last yea and had some good results apart from major back pumps x, we both want to bulk alot but also want quality gains one of my Dads friend done a dbol cycle and just looked fat and he lost pretty much al of it.. Id lke to use Winstrol (winny) or Anavar as i want quality gains rather than massiv gains if u understand also should i take Nolvadex and also oral tren at a low dose as its very potent and doing 2 17 alk orals is not a sensible move heres my stats...

Age 23
Height 5ft 5
Weight 10 stone 2
and i have 14% bod fat

I have been lifting since i am trying to do a low calorie diet as id like to be shredded thats why i am concious on dbol..
 
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Musclecommunity said:
Hi guys my friend and i are looking to do our first proper cycle, we have used epistane last yea and had some good results apart from major back pumps x, we both want to bulk alot but also want quality gains one of my Dads friend done a dbol cycle and just looked fat and he lost pretty much al of it.. Id lke to use Winstrol (winny) or Anavar as i want quality gains rather than massiv gains if u understand also should i take Nolvadex and also oral tren at a low dose as its very potent and doing 2 17 alk orals is not a sensible move heres my stats...

Age 23
Height 5ft 5
Weight 10 stone 2
and i have 14% bod fat
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welcome to ology . read the sticky post near the top of the main anabolic forum page about oral only cycles . if your going to do steroids put your big boy panties on and inject test for a 1st cycle.
 
AGREE. Test for first cycle....... And if your looking to get big gains then keeping a low cal diet is not going to do you any good. You can still eat a lot of food and stay lean. Its not how much you eat its what you eat !!!!!!! When you eat and how hard you train......
 
DADAWG said:
welcome to ology . read the sticky post near the top of the main anabolic forum page about oral only cycles . if your going to do steroids put your big boy panties on and inject test for a 1st cycle.
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And ONLY test, plus your PCT, dont add another steriod, that's way to many for the first cycle.
 
I read the sticky thanks for the heads up...but injectables are just not going to happen i know its the best way to go for the liver but the way i see it a dont drink ever a dont take drugs and i know plenty of guys from the gym that have done oral only and got good results due to their determination and believeme i have determination but injectables are not my thing at all... what would you recommend also do you have any experience with oral test i know its suppose to be very harsh...
 
if i was to do a injectable test cycle i know this sounds stupid but how do you do it i have never had a jag before my family are totally aginst vaccines and stuff long story lol...
 
Musclecommunity said:
I read the sticky thanks for the heads up...but injectables are just not going to happen i know its the best way to go for the liver but the way i see it a dont drink ever a dont take drugs and i know plenty of guys from the gym that have done oral only and got good results due to their determination and believeme i have determination but injectables are not my thing at all... what would you recommend also do you have any experience with oral test i know its suppose to be very harsh...
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oral test does not absorb well , its probablly the weakest steroid available.
i truly believe you should wait until your ready to run a real cycle. stay natural until then and dont mess up your natural test for a half assed cycle.
 
Musclecommunity said:
if i was to do a injectable test cycle i know this sounds stupid but how do you do it i have never had a jag before my family are totally aginst vaccines and stuff long story lol...
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I never undertood how there are so many men out there willing to go through all the pain and mental hell of forcing your body to break itself down everyday in the gym just to heal stronger by keeping to an even more painful diet....and then be to big a pussy to stick themselves with a little needle.
 
What if i was to do a Winstrol (winny) oral cycle which everyone i have talked to says its good for dry solid gains unlike dbol which bloats you and is mostly water retention i would be happy with a good 5 or 6 pound gain of good muscle rather than expecting 15 pound of water weight
 
Musclecommunity said:
its not about being a pussy mate its personnel preference needles are just not for me id rather overdose on milk thistle to protect my liver :uzi:
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Im I pussy when it comes to scorpians, I can admit that. You should admit your a pussy when it comes to needles, and that if you do this you wont get to say you don't take drugs anymore, which you can't say now if you drink coffee. I don't know much about orals. but I would say only take the whinny and nothing else your first cycle.

P.S You know after the first few times that needle prick aint nothing, if you mess around with stuff you don't know about, well lets just say a liver biopsy is much more painful, uses a much larger needle, and is used to take a chuck of your liver with it as its pulled out.
 
Thats a fair comment buddy atleast your understanding and giving advice, the problem with these forums is that nobody will adapt to other peoples preferences im saying a dont want to use needles and yes its cos it freaks me out a good bit but if i say am not taking needles all i want is advice on orals its like being at school and peer pressure your so called mates telling you to just try a bit of coke or weed its the same thing lol so if anyone has any sound advice on a good oral then please let me know...
 
I think you will find its not that they are trying to pressure you into doing something you don't want to, but rather they are giving you the BEST advise they know. If you don't wan the best advise then you have to take the second best advise. A lot of the people here don't know what the second best advise is, I know I don't.
 
Musclecommunity said:
Thats a fair comment buddy atleast your understanding and giving advice, the problem with these forums is that nobody will adapt to other peoples preferences im saying a dont want to use needles and yes its cos it freaks me out a good bit but if i say am not taking needles all i want is advice on orals its like being at school and peer pressure your so called mates telling you to just try a bit of coke or weed its the same thing lol so if anyone has any sound advice on a good oral then please let me know...
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if your not man enough to use syringes your not man enough for steroids. BOTTOM LINE
you can justify and rationalize and deny until you turn blue in the face but the facts are the facts.
 
Musclecommunity said:
Theirs plenty of people doing oral cycles and have had excellent results so what you say is irrelevant... also whats wrong with test orals ?
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i plainly said that they didnt absorb well . if you would pay attention to what we say instead of justifying a oral cycle you would have seen that.
i have wasted enough time on you , you only want opinions that agree with youand refuse to listen to the facts.
 
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