First cycle of Tren, looking to see if i did my homework right.

[Cobra Strike]

Hcg will help maintain size and function of the testes, but it's only natural that with exogenous test should they shrink.

Hcg works by mimicking LH, suppressing the pituitary, therefore for recovery it is best not to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during post cycle therapy (pct), and use a test taper protocol.

I haven't seen any evidence that hcg, while on cycle, is a necessary component to recovery after cycle.

first of all....

the size of the testicles is only a secondary objective for the use in hcg...

your right about it mimicking the lh hormone and about it suppressing the hpta and about not using it through pct but your absolutley wrong about recovery

what the hell do you think the lh hormone does????

 

[Cobra Strike]

Ok, thanks for that comment.

It's awesome to know someone who is so educated, blast away like that at me.

Fine then, prove your point that it is necessary.

and I will blast idiots all fuckin day

 

[thetruepitbull]

You still haven't made one comment to support your underlying statement that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is neccessary either during cycle or post cycle.

Please do so, as I am willing to listen.

 

[Cobra Strike]

You still haven't made one comment to support your underlying statement that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is neccessary either during cycle or post cycle.

Please do so, as I am willing to listen.

you dip shit...i ended my last post with a question for you!!!!

 

[Cobra Strike]

the leutenizing hormone sends a signal to your testicles to produce natural testosterone...now when you inject exogenous test it shuts down your hpta and your body realizes that there is more test in your system than you need and therefore the lh stops sending the signal...thats where Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) comes into play....hcg replaces the lh and basically forces your testicles to produce natty test regardless of your test levels...this way your bodies test never gets shut down for an extended period of time and you run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) up until 4 days before pct which helps keep your test levels at the normal mark. You dont taper your test dosages...thats stone age theory bro....you stop your exogenous test and it cleaves out of your system....but intsead of your test levels crashing the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) keeps them up and therefore you can keep alot more of your gains...without test muscles atrophy....I dont think there is much more to say without repeating myself...

I hope you understand this concept and if you dont then do a search on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) by DET OAK and you will quickly realize how retarded your thought process is

 

[ROTORRES]

Hi, I'm new by the way... the first time I used Tren, gave me a lot of problems and couldn't stand it for long, perhaps from the high androgen ratio it has, and learned a very importanty lesson, always run it with bromo, although sensitivity varies from person to person, bromo is a must to counteract the prolactine levels, which can give you a hell of a time with insomnia, depression and of course gyno. I have only used Tren A and mixed with 3 or 4 compounds, Winstrol (winny), Dbol, Eq, Primo and Test, I am always varying dosages, order, etc. until you get the best dosage/array for the goal you are looking. Take care of emotional sides, you'll be no fun to be with, so do not let the drug control you! Finally, from my point of view, there is no magic on AAS, so train hard and wise, eat healthy and nutritiously dense meals, design your routines so you can have variation on all loading parameters, and of course, sleep plenty and rest wisely! good luck with this first tren cycle!

 

[Cobra Strike]

Hi, I'm new by the way... the first time I used Tren, gave me a lot of problems and couldn't stand it for long, perhaps from the high androgen ratio it has, and learned a very importanty lesson, always run it with bromo, although sensitivity varies from person to person, bromo is a must to counteract the prolactine levels, which can give you a hell of a time with insomnia, depression and of course gyno. I have only used Tren A and mixed with 3 or 4 compounds, Winstrol (winny), Dbol, Eq, Primo and Test, I am always varying dosages, order, etc. until you get the best dosage/array for the goal you are looking. Take care of emotional sides, you'll be no fun to be with, so do not let the drug control you! Finally, from my point of view, there is no magic on AAS, so train hard and wise, eat healthy and nutritiously dense meals, design your routines so you can have variation on all loading parameters, and of course, sleep plenty and rest wisely! good luck with this first tren cycle!

Hey bro...this needs to be put on your own thread...when you do something like this your hijacking another guys thread just fyi...

make a thread!!

 

[thetruepitbull]

Sorry about the confusion and I agree with all of your points except for tapering test.

For recovery it is not necessary for one to use hcg. And I stand by this.
Yes, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can be used during cycle to keep testes functioning, by mimicking LH, but that doesn't solve the problem of getting the pituitary gland up and running during cycle or post cycle.

Also, tapering test does work.
In simple terms, your body will recognize the amount of test in your body and act accordingly. It will either produce test or it won't, and in addition it will produce the amount of test that is necessary, not just all or none.
That is where the test taper comes in to effect.
Lower your dosages to a stasis period of 100 to 200mg per week, hold there for 6 weeks, then slowly taper off.

Just finished my taper 6 weeks ago. Had bloodwork done, yet again, and all values are within normal range.

You have your point that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is necessary, and I have mine that it isn't.

 

[thetruepitbull]

and sorry about hijacking this thread.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Sorry about the confusion and I agree with all of your points except for tapering test.

For recovery it is not necessary for one to use hcg. And I stand by this.
Yes, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can be used during cycle to keep testes functioning, by mimicking LH, but that doesn't solve the problem of getting the pituitary gland up and running during cycle or post cycle.

Also, tapering test does work.
In simple terms, your body will recognize the amount of test in your body and act accordingly. It will either produce test or it won't, and in addition it will produce the amount of test that is necessary, not just all or none.
That is where the test taper comes in to effect.
Lower your dosages to a stasis period of 100 to 200mg per week, hold there for 6 weeks, then slowly taper off.

Just finished my taper 6 weeks ago. Had bloodwork done, yet again, and all values are within normal range.

You have your point that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is necessary, and I have mine that it isn't.

we can agree to disagree on the taper...seems like alot of work and I think it can be avoided by the use of hcg.

hcg has a half life of 4-5 days and thats why you stop it 4 days prior to pct...then you start your clomid or tore and that doesnt have to work as hard to bring your lh levels up because they are already up from the hcg...although the rest of your hpta still needs revived your test wont which is the key in keeping muscle

seriously though...if you still have a hard time with this...use the search command and search det oaks threads...the guy is a genius and has done tons and tons of research on this subject...it does exactly what Im saying it does and there are studies to back this up which you would find if you searched...

and yes I am also sorry for hijacking this thread but there is some very good info here

 

[thetruepitbull]

Ok, will read the thread.

Test taper has always worked for me and others I know as well, and is backed by bloodwork and the ability to maintain size, libido and psychological well-being.

One day I might use hcg, so I'm not knocking it, just don't believe it is neccessary.

Thx