first cycle Sustanon post cycle therapy (pct) help
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Zeek
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For a simple test run you should not need extra liver protection. It would not hurt if you were taking some orals in your cycle but test only, I would save the cash
But
I want to touch on a few things with you Koz.
You are currenty 154lbs/ 70 kilos
The gains you make on a steroid cycle right now are going to be so difficult for you to hold on to after the cycle simply because you lack a base of muscle. Think of a house with a foundation that is too small for it, it falls over.
I don't know what your finances are or how comitted you are to really wanting to get big, strong and then have the ability to keep it but your weight after a year of training is telling me you need help with your diet.
Look into this thread here
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/diet-forum/602974-3js-nutrition-network.html
Give it some serious thought, we need to get your diet and training dialed in before you are ready for a cycle IMO.
If you decide you still want to go ahead with the cycle without working on the base let me know because I will still help you. I don't want to see you get messed up flying solo on it.
Also know that many do not suggest any Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) post cycle, IMO it should be done before if you plan to use it. We can touch more on that later. Read the link and decide and we go from there.
But
I want to touch on a few things with you Koz.
You are currenty 154lbs/ 70 kilos
The gains you make on a steroid cycle right now are going to be so difficult for you to hold on to after the cycle simply because you lack a base of muscle. Think of a house with a foundation that is too small for it, it falls over.
I don't know what your finances are or how comitted you are to really wanting to get big, strong and then have the ability to keep it but your weight after a year of training is telling me you need help with your diet.
Look into this thread here
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/diet-forum/602974-3js-nutrition-network.html
Give it some serious thought, we need to get your diet and training dialed in before you are ready for a cycle IMO.
If you decide you still want to go ahead with the cycle without working on the base let me know because I will still help you. I don't want to see you get messed up flying solo on it.
Also know that many do not suggest any Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) post cycle, IMO it should be done before if you plan to use it. We can touch more on that later. Read the link and decide and we go from there.
chickenwing
Do NOT buy from this SCAMMER
Listen to what zeek is telling you. He really knows his shit.
Zeek
Community Veteran
Thanks for the compliment ChickenWing! I just hate to see guys play the Yo-Yo game when they start cycling. Gain 20 lbs 2 months later lose 20lbs. Worst head game on earth! If you don't know how to eat or train for size all the steroids in the world won't save you in the long run. This is how we end up with guys staying on for a year straight and even more. Then other stuff goes wrong.
Been there done that and have 9 T-shirts
Been there done that and have 9 T-shirts
Zeek
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Here is what I suggest to you then Koz, I talked about the diet so my hands are clean 
Sustanon has the deconate ester in it and it is the highest concentration at 100mg per ml. that takes a good 5-6 weeks to get into full swing.
Lets take the sustanon to 14 weeks so you can get your levels up and actually make gains for a good while too. 500mg per week split into at least 2 shots, 3 if you can.
14 week plan get some HCG.. start is 3-4 weeks after first sustanon shot. Run it till just before PCT at 250iu at least twice per week.
You can get your PCt goods form our research company sponsors on this site.
You may want an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand but IMO if you have nolvadex and are just running test if you get early signs of gyno that will take care of that. I'm against crushing estrogen totally but that is another topic and thread.
3 weeks after your last sustanon injection Begin PCT, I have one I use in my signature that works well for me.
Sustanon has the deconate ester in it and it is the highest concentration at 100mg per ml. that takes a good 5-6 weeks to get into full swing.
Lets take the sustanon to 14 weeks so you can get your levels up and actually make gains for a good while too. 500mg per week split into at least 2 shots, 3 if you can.
14 week plan get some HCG.. start is 3-4 weeks after first sustanon shot. Run it till just before PCT at 250iu at least twice per week.
You can get your PCt goods form our research company sponsors on this site.
You may want an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand but IMO if you have nolvadex and are just running test if you get early signs of gyno that will take care of that. I'm against crushing estrogen totally but that is another topic and thread.
3 weeks after your last sustanon injection Begin PCT, I have one I use in my signature that works well for me.
what to do
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zeek is right. So many people on here push the gear and dont back it up with a solid diet !
Zeek
Community Veteran
Gear will make anyone bigger and stronger while they are on it. What separates the men from the boys is what happens post cycle and who is left with what.
Before the sticklers flip on what I just said, it is a blanket statement. If you eat right, train right and rest right you will make better gains on cycle. All I'm saying is I can take a dummy and inject him with 1 gram of test per week and feed him junk food and mcdonalds, work out for 20 min a day all wrong, he will get a good bit bigger and stronger. When he comes off that is another story
Pinnacle@Rep
Muscles can't stop this..
Gear will make anyone bigger and stronger while they are on it. What separates the men from the boys is what happens post cycle and who is left with what.
Before the sticklers flip on what I just said, it is a blanket statement. If you eat right, train right and rest right you will make better gains on cycle. All I'm saying is I can take a dummy and inject him with 1 gram of test per week and feed him junk food and mcdonalds, work out for 20 min a day all wrong, he will get a good bit bigger and stronger. When he comes off that is another story
It's hard to offer info when the Big Zeekster has all the answers posted in seconds!!! LOL
Zeek, your the BOSS bro!
Here is what I suggest to you then Koz, I talked about the diet so my hands are clean
Sustanon has the deconate ester in it and it is the highest concentration at 100mg per ml. that takes a good 5-6 weeks to get into full swing.
Lets take the sustanon to 14 weeks so you can get your levels up and actually make gains for a good while too. 500mg per week split into at least 2 shots, 3 if you can.
14 week plan get some HCG.. start is 3-4 weeks after first sustanon shot. Run it till just before PCT at 250iu at least twice per week.
You can get your PCt goods form our research company sponsors on this site.
You may want an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand but IMO if you have nolvadex and are just running test if you get early signs of gyno that will take care of that. I'm against crushing estrogen totally but that is another topic and thread.
3 weeks after your last sustanon injection Begin PCT, I have one I use in my signature that works well for me.
tnx for the info
so Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from the 3-4 week till the first day of pct ? cause i got 3 week window between last inject of sus and pct
Zeek
Community Veteran
That is how I would do it, yes.
Zeek
Community Veteran
really that is up to you. 250mg per week is more than your body makes naturally but you have to ask yourself, is that worth getting shut down over and all of the other things that come along with a cycle?
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