First Cycle taking Cyp,Prop,Tren, and ending with Winny

[apb290]

I am 31 years old, 174 pounds and 19 percent body fat. I was 185 four months ago and 26 percent so have been working hard to get back down. I was down for almost 2 years due to my back had surgery a year ago and now finally back in the gym. I decided to do my first cycle to help get me jumped started. Before back problems i was 145 and always less then 15 percent body fat. My diet has been pretty good, but after reading on here sounds like I need to increase my protein a lot. Currently on a 2000cal diet 2 protein shakes a day and a gallon of water.

My Cycle
Cypionate 2 bottles of 250mg/10ml
Propionate 1 bottle of 100mg/20ml
Winstrol 1 bottle of 50mg/20ml

Update based of what I have learned here I have added three things and cut off Tren for the first cycle
LiquiDex 30mL 1mg/mL
Liquid Tamox 50mL 20mg/mL
Liquid Clomi 70mL 35mg/mL

Weeks
1-3 1cc of Cypionate I also taking .5 cc of Propionate with this
.5cc of Propionate every other day.

After week 3 taking Cypionate 1cc every 4 days also with Propionate every other day

Finishing off with Winstrol.

I have a bodybuilder friend that put me on this that i trust just want to get some feedback. I am doing shots in the Glute and feel comfortable after several youtube videos and lots of research before hand. From what I am researching I feel like I need to get and clomiphene citrate or nolvadex asap for post cycle. Some information I gathered say they do this doing cycle. What are you guys thoughts I am open to all suggestions, so far only pinned twice.

 

[halfwit]

Do yourself a favor and just stick to test for your first cycle. You have so many compounds there that each have potential bad sides, you won't know what is making you feel like crap if you start feeling them. Running tren/winny AFTER you've finished with your test is a surefire way to mess yourself up too. Not sure why he's recommending Winstrol (winny) at all considering you're not competing, right?

I see you have SERMS covered, but no Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Read the sticky at the top of this forum regarding AI's. (Arimidex/Aromasin) Welcome to 'ology.

 

[apb290]

Thanks, no I am not competing but getting hitched in a few months so wanted to trim down before the wedding. I never heard of Arimidex/Aromasin I def will read up on them. Thanks

 

[airagee23]

Bro you have no clue as to what your putting in your body. You dont need all that. And your bodybuilding friend has no clue. Look at the cycle you posted? Halfwit hit the nail on the head with his post about your cycle.

 

[fancyhuh101]

as suggested above, tren wouldnt be the best choice for a first cycle , test only

 

[apb290]

Thanks, I am working on SERMS and AI's now. Do I have enough test for a full cycle?

 

[bigkit34]

what type of back injury did you have that required surgery? reason i ask is winstrol is notoriously bad for joints and it could probably aggravate an previous weak spot even if it was corrected by surgery

 

[halfwit]

Thanks, I am working on SERMS and AI's now. Do I have enough test for a full cycle?

I'd pick up another vial of cyp as you're cutting it close if you want to run a 12 week cycle at 500mg/wk (recommended). You could run the prop alongside the cypionate for the first 4 weeks to act as a "kicker" as it has a shorter ester, but that's going to require a lot of pinning for a first cycle, and a bit of pip due to virgin muscle. (12 weeks @ 500mg/wk = 6g of test. Each vial is 2.5g, so you need 3 vials.)

 

[apb290]

I had an discectomy around a year in half ago. After PT and all I have working with a personal trainer for about 6 months. I have only really started lifting about 2 months 4 months were pure core work outs. I def understand that winstrol could be bad, however I hope before I get to this point from my cycle that I will have my core and back even stronger. I may not need it after my cycle I think alot will result in how I look after it all. I got it just in case, so I don't look bulky for my wedding in three months. Thank you for you concern I will def be very careful and as mentioned may not even need it.

 

[apb290]

I'd pick up another vial of cyp as you're cutting it close if you want to run a 12 week cycle at 500mg/wk (recommended). You could run the prop alongside the cypionate for the first 4 weeks to act as a "kicker" as it has a shorter ester, but that's going to require a lot of pinning for a first cycle, and a bit of pip due to virgin muscle. (12 weeks @ 500mg/wk = 6g of test. Each vial is 2.5g, so you need 3 vials.)

I think that is why my guy was talking about me taking Tren at the end to run to the full 12 weeks. So Cyp and Prop then running Tren to the 12 week mark then Winstrol possible afterwards. Now of course mixing in AI's during the Cycle and Serms post cycle. I see what you are saying though if I get rid of Tren I will be short. Why is Tren bad for first cycle?

 

[halfwit]

I think that is why my guy was talking about me taking Tren at the end to run to the full 12 weeks. So Cyp and Prop then running Tren to the 12 week mark then Winstrol possible afterwards. Now of course mixing in AI's during the Cycle and Serms post cycle. I see what you are saying though if I get rid of Tren I will be short. Why is Tren bad for first cycle?

Trenbolone and Testosterone are two totally different animals. Your body needs testosterone to function normally, build muscle, maintain a metabolic rate, and have sexual function. Trenbolone is a manufactured steroid with a very high anabolic/androgenic ratio that does not have any testosterone in it. If you take tren without having test, you are wasting your time and money. You will still grow, but those gains will be less than what they could be and you have a great chance of losing them once you're done with the drug. This isn't even taking into consideration that you'll probably have erectile dysfunction - which likely won't make your fiance too happy.

Tren has side effects that are not only physical, but many report them to be mental. If you have no experience with any AAS, you will not know how to prepare yourself for what happens when you do have one occur. For example: You probably have never injected a substance into yourself. Imagine injecting for the first time and your eyes immediately start to water, you feel light headed, and you have a coughing spasm that lasts for a full minute. You're probably going to think you're dying, which would cause you to panic; making things worse due to shock. This is one of the potential sides of using tren that AFAIK is inherent ONLY to that drug. It is because of these sides that many stay away from it until a later time when they have experience. Not to mention tren is hepatotoxic (liver toxic) and potentially can elevate your prolactin levels. If you think growing boobs is bad, imagine if they lactated...

Stick to a test only cycle, forget the winstrol (it's for pre-contest shredding and is TERRIBLE on your joints), and get that Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Be safe about this man, don't let dreams of being swole cause you to take bigger risks than necessary. You can always save that tren for a later cycle, when you're ready for it.

My .02c

 

[tbonexl]

I broke up with every chic I ever dated while on tren. Stuff is mean! Your cutting it close with this total body rehab with a back injury. Only lifting for 2 months prior ain't a long time. I just hope u don't fuck your back up again. I would tighten up on the diet and cardio. Don't worry about getting swole. Relax, you won. She is going to marry u..

 

[apb290]

Thanks halfwit and tbonexl, I definitely will not be taking any Treneblone. I have the AI's and post stuff coming in on Tuesday thanks guys.

Trenbolone and Testosterone are two totally different animals. Your body needs testosterone to function normally, build muscle, maintain a metabolic rate, and have sexual function. Trenbolone is a manufactured steroid with a very high anabolic/androgenic ratio that does not have any testosterone in it. If you take tren without having test, you are wasting your time and money. You will still grow, but those gains will be less than what they could be and you have a great chance of losing them once you're done with the drug. This isn't even taking into consideration that you'll probably have erectile dysfunction - which likely won't make your fiance too happy.

Tren has side effects that are not only physical, but many report them to be mental. If you have no experience with any AAS, you will not know how to prepare yourself for what happens when you do have one occur. For example: You probably have never injected a substance into yourself. Imagine injecting for the first time and your eyes immediately start to water, you feel light headed, and you have a coughing spasm that lasts for a full minute. You're probably going to think you're dying, which would cause you to panic; making things worse due to shock. This is one of the potential sides of using tren that AFAIK is inherent ONLY to that drug. It is because of these sides that many stay away from it until a later time when they have experience. Not to mention tren is hepatotoxic (liver toxic) and potentially can elevate your prolactin levels. If you think growing boobs is bad, imagine if they lactated...

Stick to a test only cycle, forget the winstrol (it's for pre-contest shredding and is TERRIBLE on your joints), and get that Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Be safe about this man, don't let dreams of being swole cause you to take bigger risks than necessary. You can always save that tren for a later cycle, when you're ready for it.

My .02c

 

[kamikaze]

You will have amazing results with test only with your virgin receptors. More isnt always better in this game. With your history, please be careful once it kicks in and you start feeling like superMan. Also, don't bang a stripper at your bachelor party because of test