DADAWG
Community Veteran
sounds like your to smart for us we are all saying food and your sure you eat enough and all you need is steroids. good luck.
First cycle- Testosterone E
- Thread starter General Dorrell
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sounds like your to smart for us we are all saying food and your sure you eat enough and all you need is steroids. good luck.
DADAWG
Community Veteran
General Dorrell
New member
I never said all I need is steroids. I'm clearly stating. I eat 3,500 calories. Surely on a test e cycle consuming that many calories and that much protein I will be able to make gains. After all that's the point of this cycle.
DADAWG
Community Veteran
did you ride the short bus to school ?
you need calories to grow but instead of listening to us you make excuses about genetics.
go ahead run that cycle genius.
Your talking to a hard gainer,I know bro.Same situation as far as genetics.I am an ectomorph that thought I could not gain weight no matter what I did but the truth is you have to force your body to grow.If you eat a classic bulking diet with 4500+cal daily intake and 2g per body lbs,and proper strength training geared to gaining mass you will grow..its not physically possible not to.
IMO if you dont get your body fat % down before you go the AAS route you will only increase you bf% from the cycle and also your at high risk for sides of gyno....
Your best bet bro is to get the diet right and really bust your ass in the gym to start making physical changes naturally before AAS
General Dorrell
New member
Wow are all the senior moderators around here rude fucks? Or are u the exception?
General Dorrell
New member
Well won't be posting on this forum anymore. First day and got nothing but abuse left right and centre. Yeh I maybe a bit thick headed sometimes. However never should a moderator be throwing such demeening comments to a newbie on their forum.
You wont gett any help with a punk ass attitude like that...
Bro you got the answers from some seasoned guys but you still have excuses why you think its a good idea....you must know better bro-why ask the questions
General Dorrell
New member
Drewbolic I don't see why ur tryna patronise. Surely one time u must have been without knowledge. And surely u must have been in my position. Why patronise because ur experienced and I'm not?
No not at all...I patronize because you wont take said advice and call out other members/mods of this forum hen the have your best interest in mind.
Thank you DAWG.
I'm a newb to AAS and doing my first cycle so I limit my posts to things I know about.I have been using the hell out of the search feature to learn.
This one was so obvious I had to post.I dont know why people think AAS is a miracle cure for scrawny guys that are too young and undisciplined for gear in the first place.
General Dorrell
New member
So my best interest is telling me I dnt eat? Right okay so how is 3,500 calories in a day not enough? =\ I fail to see how that is so. Iv read so many journals and posts of 200lbs bodybuilders claiming with a 3,500 caloric diet on steroids gave them extraordinary results. Was merely trying to point that factor out to get response not a regurgitated line about eating more. Cause I know I must eat more. I came for advise on the cycle and likely results expected.
StoneColdNTO
Administrator
What appears below was developed by a number of our good friends at www.anabolicfitness.com
Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.
Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:
1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voicebox) into the mid-20’s.
2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.
3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.
4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.
The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.
For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:
Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.
Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.
Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:
1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voicebox) into the mid-20’s.
2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.
3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.
4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.
The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.
For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:
Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
this is inaccurate bro-read the sticky-300mg vs 600mg first cycle.
never do 200mg a week of test-unless your a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patient
It is quite simple. If you aren't gaining weight eating 3500 cals a day you aren't eating enough. Everyone is different, I lose weight eating 3500 cals. When I bulk I eat until I cant move 6 times a day. The best advise I was ever given was this, "If you haven't eaten till you puked this week you aren't trying hard enough."
stevonov
New member
Just saying if i got gains on a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose than a first cycle dose of 500 would be fine not that he should be touching it at his age anyway.
scotimusprime
Setting NEWB Gun to KILL
time to RE-CHECK your diet bro.
174g protein+ 140g carbs is only 1256 calories.....
are you eating 2300 calories worth of fat a day?
if not then you DEFINATELY are not taking in 3500 cals and if you are eating that much fat....u are going to die.
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