First Cycle Tren/D-Bol

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ADL

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My stats:
21 years old
182lbs
Height 5`11
9% BF

I have been sticking to a strict diet and training program. I`m happy with My results (seeing how I started at 135lbs when I was 17) but have been having trouble getting much further. I have decided to have my first foray into steroids be a short 4-6 week blitz cycle. If results are decent then I will repeat with possible modifications after a 6-8 week downtime. I want to keep it short and do not mind daily injections for this reason, every other day would be nice but I`ve read that that makes the blood levels/peaks uneven.


Goal: lean mass in a short cycle.
Here it is


CYCLE:
week 1-5 d-bol 30mg/ED (divided into 4 doses)
week 1-7 tren ace 50mg/ED
week 1-7 Arimidex .5mg/EOD
week 3-7 HCG 250iu/E3D (every mon and fri)


PCT:
2 days after last tren dose
week 7-8 HCG 500iu/ED
week 7-8 Nolva 40mgs/ED, Clomid 100mg/ED
week 8-10 Nolva 20mgs/ED, Clomid 50mg/ED


The only thing I`m not so sure about it is whether test is totally mandatory or not, I`ve read lots of mixed reviews. My biggest concern is loss of libido or erectile dysfunction, which if it is a problem with a tren/dbol stack then I`d deff want some test prop in there.

Ofcourse nolva will be on hand if gyno appears (shouldn`t with arimidex) but I`ve heard dostinex or bromo is better if I`m sensitive to prolactin induced gyno.
 
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Hey man,

If this is your first cycle, stick to plain test. You won't know how you react to the others if you're running d-bol and tren at the same time.

Do you have the gear on hand already?
 
ADL said:
My stats:
21 years old
182lbs
Height 5`11
9% BF

I have been sticking to a strict diet and training program. I`m happy with My results (seeing how I started at 135lbs when I was 17) but have been having trouble getting much further. I have decided to have my first foray into steroids be a short 4-6 week blitz cycle. If results are decent then I will repeat with possible modifications after a 6-8 week downtime. I want to keep it short and do not mind daily injections for this reason, every other day would be nice but I`ve read that that makes the blood levels/peaks uneven.


Goal: lean mass in a short cycle.
Here it is


CYCLE:
week 1-5 d-bol 30mg/ED (divided into 4 doses)
week 1-7 tren ace 50mg/ED
week 1-7 Arimidex .5mg/EOD
week 3-7 HCG 250iu/E3D (every mon and fri)


PCT:
2 days after last tren dose
week 7-8 HCG 500iu/ED
week 7-8 Nolva 40mgs/ED, Clomid 100mg/ED
week 8-10 Nolva 20mgs/ED, Clomid 50mg/ED


The only thing I`m not so sure about it is whether test is totally mandatory or not, I`ve read lots of mixed reviews. My biggest concern is loss of libido or erectile dysfunction, which if it is a problem with a tren/dbol stack then I`d deff want some test prop in there.

Ofcourse nolva will be on hand if gyno appears (shouldn`t with arimidex) but I`ve heard dostinex or bromo is better if I`m sensitive to prolactin induced gyno.
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I see a few things wrong with this. First, yes Test should be included in all cycles IMO. Dump the Nolva, especially if you are using Tren. Nolva is garbage anyway but will only aggravate progestin related gyno. Cabaser/Dostinex will work when using Tren but Pramipexole is a better choice to use when using nandrolones. Also, Adex is a week Aromatase inhibitor (AI). You're better off with Aromasin or even Letro. The clomid for PCT is fine but don't start it until you finish your HCG. You want to run your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) while you are using HCG since HCG can induce gyno as well. Using HCG is fine while on but I don't see you using it after your cycle which would be more ideal in helping you recover as the gear clears your system. Now, having said all of that, I would save the Tren for later and go with Test for your first cycle and if you are going to do the dbol anyway, then just do Test and dbol. I know some of you guys don't listen to all the advice given here so if you decide to not listen to me and do this cycle anyway, at least at the Test and get the necessary ancillaries I mentioned. I'd say your borderline young to be starting a cycle since your growth plates can possibly still be open at age 21 and also you haven't really given us a training history. I see too many people on here that just dive in and start taking juice and don't do any research on ancillaries they should be taking. I'm not condoning you starting a cycle but if you are going to do it anyway, I want to make sure you do it safe and right. Good luck in how you decide to approach this.
 
Don't use tren on a first cycle, trust me on this. Not 1 person will recommend running a Tren cycle first, let alone Tren by itself without Test. Test should be the base of ALL cycles, there is no sense in NOT running it. If you have already purchased the gear, save the Tren for round 2. Most people are going to tell you to run (1) compound at a time, Test being the first. This is because different people react differently to some compounds. If you were to have any problems running multiple types of gear at once, and you've never tried any of them before, it becomes much harder to pinpoint what is causing the problem. You want to see how your body reacts to synthetic testosterone first. I myself, for example, cannot run Dbol, because it causes gyno flares for me regardless of the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) I am on. I have run Dbol with the strongest Aromatase inhibitor (AI), Letrozole, and still had gyno issues, and therefore I stay away from it. It also destroys my blood pressure for some reason, so I choose not to use it anymore. The Test/Dbol scenario might not be the worst. I can understand wanting to run the oral with test. If you run test prop, it will kick in very quickly, and you may not even need the dbol as a "kickstart" like it is typically used. I've only ever used Dbol with longer ester gear to serve the kickstart purpose while the long esters take their time to kick in.

Start with a cycle of Test Propionate, IMHO. You'll get used to pinning EoD, it won't be a lot of gear to inject, and you can see how you react. EoD is fine with Prop, I've never noticed significant blood level fluctuations shooting EoD vs ED. As a first timer, you boldly say you have no issues with daily injects, but if are you injecting ED or EoD into all of these new sites, I can guarantee there is the possibility of running into an issue with sites. It took me a good couple of cycles to warm up to the idea of shooting my triceps, pectorals, and lats. But when you are shooting so frequently, you don't really have much of a choice. If you started a cycle on ED injections, shooting all over the place, I promise you, you will be sore as shit haha.

Anyway, conclusion. Stick with Test-P as your first cycle. 75-100mg EoD will suffice and work wonders. When you are new in the game, test by itself can work miracles for strength and your physique. By adding in other compounds when you are a gear-virgin, you are really throwing away the potential of making EASIER gains. Kinda like driving in a nail with a sledgehammer, if you will. The tren is definitely overkill for a first timer, and not a good idea in general. Go with test, get your diet and training under control. You are going to see that your training will be much different on gear, and that you will have to drastically change your normal eating habits once you are using gear, to gain effectively. Better to do this with just test, and not throw away money if you make some mistakes or don't do everything perfectly. As you progress, you will continue learning, and understanding what your body needs to keep growing. At that point, once you have it all down to a science, you start adding new compounds, ONE at a time, to see how your body reacts.
 
Turtleneck1971 said:
^^ excellent advice ^^
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With the exception of running Tren on a 2nd cycle, a 1st cycle user would want to run Test E or C not P but it will work & at 21 years of age he needs to get a x-ray done to see if his growth plates are closed. He's a lil young to be running AAS.

With that said, what was the excellent advice he gave ? I don't see any ?
 
Why do people jump into using steroids without any knowledge or education..more specifically the harshest one ....:chainsaw:
 
If you have done any research -- even a cursory search -- you'd see that without fail everyone who has any experience running AAS recommends to NOT RUN TREN UNTIL YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE A FEW CYCLES. Why? It's kinda like why it's not a good idea for the virgin alcohol consumer to start with the Everclear. Sit down and enjoy a few beers first, then move up to the sipping whiskeys, and then maybe the tequila. Save the mind-bending, blast yer socks off stuff for when you know how your body is going to react to alcohol. Don't be a young punk, idiot who thinks he's invincible. If you run tren on your first cycle I hope your balls fall off.
 
Thanks

Thanks for all the great advice guys. On second thought I probably won't be doing this cycle, at least not any time in the near future.

You guys have answered all the questions that I wasn't 100% sure about. I read lots of mixed reviews and conflicting arguments (actually read in some places where people said Tren was okay for a first cycle if you do it right, maybe they were just idiots. thanks for the heads up) from many different places and was kind of on the fence about this one but thought I'd propose it to you guys anyways.

I was about to place an order with Alin but will probably change it up quite a bit. Just a short test prop blitz for me (probably wont happen till after another few months of research first), would it be unwise to add in dbol for the last 2-4 weeks if no sides occur from prop alone?

Also on a side note, about the growth plates. I haven't grown in height in years so they should be closed by now, no? even if they weren't completely it wouldn't be much longer before they are and I feel I'm already at a decent height (I highly doubt I'd somehow have another growth spurt if they were even open a little still).
 
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It's rare a man your age has the strength of character to listen to honest criticism and take it to heart. I know I sure as hell didn't. Nice job.
 
ADL said:
Thanks for all the great advice guys. On second thought I probably won't be doing this cycle, at least not any time in the near future.

You guys have answered all the questions that I wasn't 100% sure about. I read lots of mixed reviews and conflicting arguments (actually read in some places where people said Tren was okay for a first cycle if you do it right, maybe they were just idiots. thanks for the heads up) from many different places and was kind of on the fence about this one but thought I'd propose it to you guys anyways.

I was about to place an order with Alin but will probably change it up quite a bit. Just a short test prop blitz for me (probably wont happen till after another few months of research first), would it be unwise to add in dbol for the last 2-4 weeks if no sides occur from prop alone?

Also on a side note, about the growth plates. I haven't grown in height in years so they should be closed by now, no? even if they weren't completely it wouldn't be much longer before they are and I feel I'm already at a decent height (I highly doubt I'd somehow have another growth spurt if they were even open a little still).
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Glad you listened. Nobody is telling you to never do a cycle so hopefully you got that, which I think you did. Also, you are probably safe on the growth plates because they usually close by age 21 but it's something you need to think about. Do continue to read and ask questions and when you feel like you got all the knowledge you need under your belt and are ready, people are here to help. Good luck bro.
 
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