First cycle, would like advice before the plunge!

[beefykane]

Hi, I'm 18 5'7" 68Kgs 10% bf have been working out for 2 years, good diet, solid routine etc..

I have done A LOT of reading, as I tend to research things a lot when I find an interest in them, I have a very broad knowledge of bodybuilding and it still to this day fascinates me!


I'm going to start my first cycle within the next 2 months, after seeing my doctor this week to check everything and ask to be monitored throughout. I really want your advice on my cycle and post cycle therapy (pct) before I go ahead as I have a couple of queries. This is the cycle I am planning on doing:

Week Dosages
1 400mg Test-C 20mg D-Bol ED
2 400mg Test-C 20mg D-Bol ED
3 400mg Test-C 20mg D-Bol ED
4 400mg Test-C 20mg D-Bol ED
5 400mg Test-C
6 400mg Test-C
7 400mg Test-C
8 400mg Test-C
9 400mg Test-C
10 400mg Test-C
11 400mg Test-C
12 400mg Test-C
**18 days after last injection of Test C**
Clomid 25mgED Nolva 20mgED Aromasin 20mgED
14 Clomid 25mgED Nolva 20mgED Aromasin 20mgED
15 Clomid 25mgED Nolva 20mgED Aromasin 20mgED
16 Clomid 25mgED Nolva 20mgED
17 Clomid 25mgED Nolva 20mgED


Other Supplements used throughout:
Milk Thistle
Nizoral Shampoo
Glutamine Solphate
Multivitamin
Fish Oil
Flax Seed oil

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However, I was reading Bignats post on steroids for dummies and he recommended this:

Cycle 4:
1 – 4 D-bol 40mg ED
1 – 10 Cyp 400mg/wk
1 – 12 Nolvadex 10mg ED
1 – 12 L-dex .25mg ED

Start post cycle therapy (pct) 18 days after last Cyp injection

Now, I know post cycle therapy (pct) can be very confusing so I am probably just being an idiot, but could someone point me into the right direction?


Advice would be greatly appreciated!

 

[pl monster]

at 5 7 150 pounds just keep training bro get around 200 then youll have a solid base to start with and will b alot happier with the results

 

[cyto33]

your to young, but thats a better plan then most have.

 

[GunLawsSuck]

I agree that you are too young. You can certainly pack on plenty of muscle with just diet. Spend the money on tuna and chicken.
I notice the Nizoral, so you must be worried about your hairline. If this is so, ditch the Dbol altogether and be patient for the test to kick in. I feel uncomfortable giving you advice at only 18, but if your old enough to fight for our country your old enough to make your own decisions. I might only start with a 10 week cycle and the 400 mgs per week sounds like a solid start. Everyone has a post cycle therapy (pct) that they like and works for them, the key is to have a plan which you do. Personally i would start the nolva 1 week after your last pin and run it for 6 weeks at 20mg ed and push the aromasin another week for a total of 3 weeks. If you do decide to use the dbol hit it at 30-40mg ed for 3 - 4 weeks. If you get Arimidex to have on hand if you notice any gyno symptoms, you can promptly run .5mg eod. I also like to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 500iu ed for the first 20 days of my post cycle therapy (pct). My last cycle my nuts bounced back fairly fast and I also only lost five pounds off my gains. Good Luck

 

[jamaikan]

At 5'7" and 150 pounds and most importantly having only 18 , you should be able to gain some muscles and size fairly easy with a decent diet and good workouts. (as you said you have)

It's no point starting so soon taking aas, unless you want to make some kind of career out of bb. At least get to 180 pounds with the same bf as you have today and think about anabolics if you really feel you've touched an plateau.( at 150 lbs i doubt you're anywhere close to your genetic potential, not even half way there)

You said you've done a lot of reading about steroids, i say do some more and you will realise that most of the guys that said " it's too soon" aren't telling you some bs.

 

[beefykane]

I agree that you are too young. You can certainly pack on plenty of muscle with just diet. Spend the money on tuna and chicken.
I notice the Nizoral, so you must be worried about your hairline. If this is so, ditch the Dbol altogether and be patient for the test to kick in. I feel uncomfortable giving you advice at only 18, but if your old enough to fight for our country your old enough to make your own decisions. I might only start with a 10 week cycle and the 400 mgs per week sounds like a solid start. Everyone has a post cycle therapy (pct) that they like and works for them, the key is to have a plan which you do. Personally i would start the nolva 1 week after your last pin and run it for 6 weeks at 20mg ed and push the aromasin another week for a total of 3 weeks. If you do decide to use the dbol hit it at 30-40mg ed for 3 - 4 weeks. If you get Arimidex to have on hand if you notice any gyno symptoms, you can promptly run .5mg eod. I also like to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 500iu ed for the first 20 days of my post cycle therapy (pct). My last cycle my nuts bounced back fairly fast and I also only lost five pounds off my gains. Good Luck

Thank you so much, this is easily the most friendly and helpful forum. I know I should probably wait to get the best results and minimise the size effects, but I am going to Univeristy after the summer, and want to be at 80/85Kgs. I don't want to do roids at Uni because I don't want people to know.

I was really worried about Dbol because of how dangerous it can be and I am glad someone has told me I can drop it, that is a great relief off my back.

If I don't do Dbol on my first cycle, and use it on my second (say at 25) will it be more effective second time round than if I did it now?

So you suggest just a 10 week cycle, nolva for 6 weeks instead of 4 and comid for 3 weeks instead of 5 and no aromasin?

Oh and can I not us nolva early if I see gyno symptoms instead of Armidex?

Thanks

 

[GunLawsSuck]

Sorry if any confusion...but no dont drop the aromasin, drop the clomid was my advice.

1 week after last pin.
week 1-6 nolva 20mg ed
week 1-3 aromasin 20mg ed
week 1-3 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500 iu ed w/ vitamin e tabs


I wouldnt suggest using nolva on cycle to stop gyno once it is noticeable. Others say it works, but at the point it is noticeable your gonna wanna hit it hard with something like arimidex, but you could use your aromasin as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) since you already have this on hand. If you wanted to run a low dose of nolva your entire cycle to prevent any gyno symptoms, i feel that is a good route, but may hinder your gains. Since this is your first cycle, I wouldnt run the nolva the whole time, so you can find out how your body reacts to the test. You may never see any negative sides, so you will just have to run your pct and be done. I feel that 10 weeks is a good first cycle, but feel free to run 12 if all seems to be going well.

Hope that helps.
Good luck

Please make sure you have all your gear, pins, and pct together before you start. DO NOT rely on being able to get them as you go.

 

[GunLawsSuck]

Dbol will work just fine every cycle you use it.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Move to the appropriate forum......