First cycle

[LethalInjection]

Hey guys.
Im really interested in started my first PH cycle. Ive read through the forum a little bit but I havent found anything that is too specific to my concerns. So I have a few questions.

I was planning on running a 6 week 1-androsterone-UTT cycle. Good price, 2 bottles of that plus a bottle of Arom-x, for about 70.

I was wondering..

1.should I go with this stack?
2.Is UTT legit or BS?
3.Should I get any additional products, like a liver guard?
4.Im worried about ordering Nolva online, are most sources reliable?


If anyone has any addition articles they wouldn't mind linking, I would really appreciate it.

 

[mich29]

Hey guys.
Im really interested in started my first PH cycle. Ive read through the forum a little bit but I havent found anything that is too specific to my concerns. So I have a few questions.

I was planning on running a 6 week 1-androsterone-UTT cycle. Good price, 2 bottles of that plus a bottle of Arom-x, for about 70.

I was wondering..

1.should I go with this stack?
2.Is UTT legit or BS?
3.Should I get any additional products, like a liver guard?
4.Im worried about ordering Nolva online, are most sources reliable?


If anyone has any addition articles they wouldn't mind linking, I would really appreciate it.

read through the stickys than come back and ask more questions. I wouldn't suggest that stack at all.

 

[LethalInjection]

read through the stickys than come back and ask more questions. I wouldn't suggest that stack at all.

Sorry bro I put the wrong product. Its 2 bottles of 4-AD, still with the arom-x.

 

[mich29]

Sorry bro I put the wrong product. Its 2 bottles of 4-AD, still with the arom-x.

no prob bro.I would suggest another stack.you could use the 4ad as a test base of sorts for a ph for just an example Helladrol.I wouldn't worry about ordering Nolva as long as you research the place very well before you do you should be fine.google is a great thing for this.

before I advise on your cycle what is your age, your stats,lifting experience and goals?

 

[LethalInjection]

no prob bro.I would suggest another stack.you could use the 4ad as a test base of sorts for a ph for just an example Helladrol.I wouldn't worry about ordering Nolva as long as you research the place very well before you do you should be fine.google is a great thing for this.

before I advise on your cycle what is your age, your stats,lifting experience and goals?

thanks for replying
These are my stats, all measured after waking up.
Age-20
weight-220
Height-6'1
BF%-15-I'm at the end of a bulk ATM.
Upper arms-15.7-always been my weakest area
Forearms-13.5
Quads-27.5
Chest-44
Calves-16.5
Shoulders-54
Waist-35

Bench-270
Squat-350
Deadlift-415

Ive been training for about 10 months. Before I started I was at about 180ish, maybe at 15%.

I want to eventually become a pro BBer. Someday be on the Mr.O stage. It's been my dream for a long time.

But honestly I wouldnt mind running REAL gear. I just can't find any in my area, and alot of the stuff I read about, like superdrol/beastdrol ect. areant in stock ANYWHERE Ive looked.


And yes I know I havent been training that long, and im young.. but this is what I know I want to do. Ive known for the longest time. And if I want to make it I have to take the step, ASAP.

 

[doitright24]

being as you have only been working out for 10 months, you couldnt have KNOWN any longer than that you wanted to been on the stage. you need a few years under your belt befor thinking of taking anything more than protine.

 

[LethalInjection]

being as you have only been working out for 10 months, you couldnt have KNOWN any longer than that you wanted to been on the stage. you need a few years under your belt befor thinking of taking anything more than protine.

Well, Ive already made my choice. I've heard that kind of reply a thousand times, I obviously know the risks, and my situation.

And I came on here for some straight forward answers, so I don't do this the wrong way.

I don't mean to come off as rude, but that's just the truth.

 

[07Lane40]

i wouldnt suggest anything that will blow you up. your joints will have a hard time handling it since you havent been training that long...

make sure you have a good post cycle therapy (pct), not something bought otc, that will probably give you the best chance of coming back to normal... ph/ds are real gear man, just legal derivatives, so they work the exact same as 'real' gear.

 

[LethalInjection]

What do you guys think about stacking 4-AD and beastdrol? I finnally found a place to get it, and it seems to be pretty powerful, and effective.

 

[07Lane40]

honestly i would start with a single compound. its not smart to expose your body to a whole bunch of new things, cause you dont know what will be doing what.

maybe try beast to start then add something else in your next cycle (beast + 4ad (though i dont know much about 4ad)).

i'd be more worried about your pct tbh. you want to be able to recover your natural test after your cycle.

pick one compound and run it for 4 or 5 weeks depending on what it is, and run a solid pct that includes a serm. your young and you could screw yourself majorly. if your going to do it, dont do it half-ass.

 

[mich29]

I'd save your money and look to invest in a trainer to get you ready for shows and etc someone who knows their shit and can show you exactly how to eat how to lift etc.I know your asking about ph/ds and steroids but at your age unless you are at peace with the risks and problems that could bare their head down the road I would highly suggest taking advantage of this time in your life to make the most of your natural growth and take really a hard look at your level of dedication because besides just steroids pros eat live and breathe the lifestyle.

most guys might be getting by right now but once you run into a guy that roids it up but has done it the right way and knows his shit your be hard pressed to beat a guy like that.

 

[LethalInjection]

I'd save your money and look to invest in a trainer to get you ready for shows and etc someone who knows their shit and can show you exactly how to eat how to lift etc.I know your asking about ph/ds and steroids but at your age unless you are at peace with the risks and problems that could bare their head down the road I would highly suggest taking advantage of this time in your life to make the most of your natural growth and take really a hard look at your level of dedication because besides just steroids pros eat live and breathe the lifestyle.

most guys might be getting by right now but once you run into a guy that roids it up but has done it the right way and knows his shit your be hard pressed to beat a guy like that.

Sorry bro but I refuse to ever work with a trainer. I can't stand the fact of having someone tell me how to work my own body, I know what works for me. I can do all the recearch/diet/planning myself.


I would appreciate your opinion on the beastdrol/4-ad/arom-x stack though.

 

[07Lane40]

Sorry bro but I refuse to ever work with a trainer. I can't stand the fact of having someone tell me how to work my own body, I know what works for me. I can do all the recearch/diet/planning myself.


I would appreciate your opinion on the beastdrol/4-ad/arom-x stack though.

I dont think he means the average joe trainer at the gym. find someone who trains competitive BBers and work with them to set up a way to achieve success.

it takes alot more than gear to get there. the fastest way there will be to get there with someone who knows what theyre doing.

ill say it again though if youve only been training for 10 mos and havent used any steroids before, you shouldnt start out with multiple compounds. thats just dumb. youre looking at products that will blow you right up size and strength wise. just not a good idea.

 

[LethalInjection]

youre looking at products that will blow you right up size and strength wise. just not a good idea.

How is that not a good idea? Aware me?

 

[nerdalert]

It puts alot of stress on your tendons and such. You have to gradually go up higher with the weights so that you dont injure yourself and ruin your cycle. You are a young guy, take your time the Mr. O isnt going anywhere. Build a nice solid base by eating correctly and training your ass off and you will give yourself a much better chance of succeding. Go read some of 3j's posts, there is alot of valuable info there. Good luck to you.