First cycle

[Derexan]

Stats
Age: 19
Height: 6'2
Weight: 199-202 lbs
BF%= 11.6-14.5% US army Testing method
Waist: 34
Neck: 17
Training= 5 years

Well, I didn't have acsess to needles, so I didn't go with testosterone (like i should of) But, i did run into some Diosterol which is 25mg dianabol/25mg winstrol

I'm going to run it like this

W1/ 25/25 mg'
w2 50/50 mg
w3 50/50 mg
w4 50/50mg
w5 25/25mg PCT
w6 PCT
w7 PCT

I'm not sure if i'll use Proviron or Clomid or Nolva..

And oh yeah, All my growth plates are COMPLETELY CLOSED.

And i also know that using to two 17AA's isn't the best, but that's how it came.

I've already ordered it, so i'm running it. What would you suggest for PCT?

What should i expect in terms of weight gain?

 

[Iron Gladiator]

As far as needles are concerned, getting them off the internet is an easy thing to do, hell I believe research-ology sells them. As far as post cycle therapy (pct) is concerned, I am not sure if it is all that necessary, but I would run Nolva of the three you posted. I am not very confident with this dosage, since I have never run a short oral cycle, but I would venture to guess 20mg/day for the three weeks, or you could run 40mg/week for the first week and 20mg/day for the following two. Normally with longer cycles I run Nolva for post cycle therapy (pct) and for about a month.

 

[JohnnyB]

Sorry but you're not going to like this, at 19 you don't need gear you need more food. Why would you want to shut down your hormonal system when it is still in the devolopment stage? That can cause big problems down the road and has cause problem not so far down that road. I've read more then one threa where a 19 year old was having prolem with his sex drive months after his cycle

JohnnyB

 

[Jsanti]

Sorry but you're not going to like this, at 19 you don't need gear you need more food. Why would you want to shut down your hormonal system when it is still in the devolopment stage? That can cause big problems down the road and has cause problem not so far down that road. I've read more then one threa where a 19 year old was having prolem with his sex drive months after his cycle

JohnnyB

at what age would it be safe for him?

 

[Derexan]

I'm not going to do another cycle till i'm in my 20's...

I'm just trying to put some mass on before basic training.

 

[Behemoth]

Whether or not you'll do another cycle until later doesn't matter. Doing one cycle period can mess you up, especially with orals.
It's easy enough to gain loads of mass at your age anyway, as long as you eat enough.. and if you aren't eating enough to gain mass right now, steroids won't help you much anyway.

 

[ManOfMuscle]

What's the point of juicing to bulk up for basic if you are going to lose all your gains anyway due to shitty nutrition and all the exercise they make you do?

 

[Derexan]

What's the point of juicing to bulk up for basic if you are going to lose all your gains anyway due to shitty nutrition and all the exercise they make you do?

So i have somthing to lose.

 

[jt339]

why not just eat a shitload of food?

 

[Behemoth]

Well if you are considering a cycle at 19, you have a lot more to lose than just the mass you may or may not gain.

 

[Derexan]

why not just eat a shitload of food?

I want to have nice mass, not fat.

 

[Micromegas]

I don't think doing a cycle right before basic training would be a good idea considering you'll loose all of it due to the terrible food and 20 something miles they make you run a day. Putting on extra weight will just make it harder.

Maybe it would be best to finish your tour or however long you're supposed to be in the military/Or the next time you have a long enough break without testing and you could do a cycle.

 

[Derexan]

I won't be running 20 miles a day...More like 4-6

 

[ManOfMuscle]

So i have somthing to lose.

Bad reasoning.

1. You are too young to cycle
2. If your are going to cycle do it right and use test as a first cycle.
3. You will be better off staying skinnny and lean during basic. You will be running a lot and doing bodyweight exercise like push ups and pull ups. These are very easy to do if you are light and lean.

 

[Chicken Legs]

I have a couple of buddies who have done cycles at 19 and 20. They ate right, trained right, refrained from drinking and post cycle therapy (pct) to the extreme. They both trained since their freshman year of high school so they have a good 5-6 years under their belt for their ligaments. This may be the only exception to the mid 20s first cycle rule. I wouldn't advise what you plan on doing, and this is coming from a guy about your age. If you don't know how easy it is to get needles and thinking taking orals will be fine, I think you might want to do a little more research bro. Gear is nothign without food and we all know food at basic sucks.

 

[RJ]

And oh yeah, All my growth plates are COMPLETELY CLOSED.

^^^^'COMPLETELY' closed huh? Well good thing cause nothing worse than partialy closed growth plates

btw, how exactly do you know they are completely closed?

Sorry bro, but you're an idiot if you think that crap is gonna help you gain MASS as you call it. You will gain some water, then lose it when you come off, then be catabolic, then go to Basic, have less strength, lose more muscle, get mad but emotional, give up and get admin seperated. Well, nevermind, maybe that's good. We don't need anymore dumbass kids in the military who think they know it all.

Hopefully someone in the military Drill Instruction team stills instill discipline with a good ass whooping cause you need one... or seven!

 

[Chicken Legs]

I have an idea we should all take 1,000 mgs of deca 3x a day 5 days a week by injection into the juggler vien and not eat anything. Training would consist of 3 hours in a sauna followed by an 8 mile run. We will then inject slin into our weiners and drink breast milk from a raging pitbull.

 

[Behemoth]

So are you going to use steroids regardless of what anyone says, or what? Have you even read about what can happen? Or do you think that they are just vague threats that probably wont happen to you? Why bother posting if your mind is already made up? You heard the advice - DON'T CYCLE.

 

[Chicken Legs]

Dude i'll be real, you wanna cycle then do it.. do your post cycle therapy (pct) first it works even better that way, and instead of just taking the orals crush them up and bump them like some coke, it gets to the system much faster... don't do any research all you find is a load of bull.

 

[superscotty]

get some clomid maybe some nova today

than get some test
test prop (200-300/week MAX) 10 weeks
start post cycle on week 12

if you are going to do, this is what you shall do! i would wait but whatever u should be fine
simple, clean, easy

i personally do not agree with orals for a 1st cycle what so ever. ---> needles <---- are very easy to get! order them from this site, if you have access to gear then youhave access to needles!!!
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