First d-bol only cycle...

[seancho]

Currently weigh 151 lbs at 5'8. I've been consistently hitting the gym since I was 19 and I have never missed more than three-four consecutive days. I've gone from 119lb all the way to 173lbs naturally. Of course, when I was at my heaviest, my body was very bulky and I was also a bit chubby.

Ever since cutting down on my carb intake, my weight has remained the same (151 lbs). I'm content with my figure, but I want to gain a bit more and I don't want to start eating an extra two meals a day in order to do so. My diet consists of only complex carbs, good fats, and roughly 180g of protein a day.

Let me know if this cycle looks proper:

Dbol - 25mg/day for 5 weeks

PCT:
Clomid - 50mg/day for 2 weeks, followed by 25mg/day for the last 2 weeks

 

[skitzz]

Prepare to get either get flamed or completely ignored...Let's see what happens...

Meantime, do more research on dbol only cycles here and i think you will find your answer.

 

[seancho]

Great, another "dbol cycles are only good for kick starting cycles" response. Please, there are plenty of people who start off using dbol only cycles, and report good gains along with keeping a portion of those gains after post cycle therapy (pct). I've done enough researching to know that a lot of these "OPINIONS" on d-bol are unfounded, it's an old wives tale. Dbol is more anabolic than test, IN THE SHORT TERM that is.

Listen, the more anabolic a drug is the more it will help you gain muscle tissue, not water retention. D-bol is perhaps the most anabolic steroid, mg for mg, there is. The truth is that a lot of guys who don't even know what proper dieting or training is, tend to go for dbol only cycles because they don't want to poke themselves with test. This results in a guy who ends up gaining 20 or so pounds in a month but then loses all of it because he doesn't have a clue as to how to retain mass, let alone workout or diet efficiently. This leads to him bad mouthing dbol only cycles, hence... we get the common wives tale of how dbol only cycles are worthless.

Also, many people get caught up in this myth because too many people tend to only look at the numbers. Notice that many dbol only cycles only last for about 4 weeks or so, while a test cycle would typically last for 8-12 weeks. Compare the amount (in mg) between the two cycles and you can see why many people simply ASSUME that dbol is only meant to "kick start" a cycle. Again, it's a myth.

It seems that every positive experience from dbol only cycles get completely overshadowed from negative experiences. Note, that most of the negative experiences are coming from guys who don't know a thing about training or nutrition, and only got on dbol because they didn't see any gym results after their intial 3-week trail membership at GOLD's. (LOL)

 

[seancho]

Look here prick... I took the time to answer you stupid fucking question... if you know it all then just run the goddam cycle and shut the fuck up.

Note to self... I will ignore these type of threads.

Hey there, by the time I posted my response you had already posted your reply to my thread. My response was not aimed at you, Matt W. Thanks for an honest assessment of my thread, instead of just prefacing your statements with "prepare to be flamed, kid".

 

[bigherm2121]

Great, another "dbol cycles are only good for kick starting cycles" response. Please, there are plenty of people who start off using dbol only cycles, and report good gains along with keeping a portion of those gains after post cycle therapy (pct). I've done enough researching to know that a lot of these "OPINIONS" on d-bol are unfounded, it's an old wives tale. Dbol is more anabolic than test, IN THE SHORT TERM that is.

Listen, the more anabolic a drug is the more it will help you gain muscle tissue, not water retention. D-bol is perhaps the most anabolic steroid, mg for mg, there is. The truth is that a lot of guys who don't even know what proper dieting or training is, tend to go for dbol only cycles because they don't want to poke themselves with test. This results in a guy who ends up gaining 20 or so pounds in a month but then loses all of it because he doesn't have a clue as to how to retain mass, let alone workout or diet efficiently. This leads to him bad mouthing dbol only cycles, hence... we get the common wives tale of how dbol only cycles are worthless.

Also, many people get caught up in this myth because too many people tend to only look at the numbers. Notice that many dbol only cycles only last for about 4 weeks or so, while a test cycle would typically last for 8-12 weeks. Compare the amount (in mg) between the two cycles and you can see why many people simply ASSUME that dbol is only meant to "kick start" a cycle. Again, it's a myth.

It seems that every positive experience from dbol only cycles get completely overshadowed from negative experiences. Note, that most of the negative experiences are coming from guys who don't know a thing about training or nutrition, and only got on dbol because they didn't see any gym results after their intial 3-week trail membership at GOLD's. (LOL)

dude dbol goes through your liver twice. IF YOU think your gonna get cock diesel from a dbol only cycle. By all means go for it. It's your body not mine. I'm sure if you would use this option new to this website called search. You'd find all you need. Be a man do a test e10 week cycle.

 

[coltmc45]

The only thing I'm gonna say on this thread is dbol along with EVERY other compound there is whether oral or pinned shuts your natty test down. No test plus high estro = good luck no thank you

 

[Greens]

Dood... you want to cycle AAS. You need to listen to folks around here, some pretty smart fucken guys when it comes to AAS. Experience will trump reading any day of the week.

test E 600mg 16 weeks
d-bol 25mg ed/50mg workouts 1-4 weeks

AI
have on hand b4 the first injection!

Adex: have enuff for .5 mg eod thru pct 4 weeks

Arimosin: 25mg ED thru pct 4 weeks

SERM

Nolva 4 weeks ed
40mg
40mg
20mg
20mg

Ya,...you don't need that much Adex necessarily, and if you're running Adex there's no need for Arimosin.
Further, Nolva is considered to be weaker than Clomid, and should really only be run with Clomid..yes it still can yield great results(I have used a Nolva only PCT), but Clomid is definitely better IMO.

 

[seancho]

Dood... you want to cycle AAS. You need to listen to folks around here, some pretty smart fucken guys when it comes to AAS. Experience will trump reading any day of the week.

test E 600mg 16 weeks
d-bol 25mg ed/50mg workouts 1-4 weeks

AI
have on hand b4 the first injection!

Adex: have enuff for .5 mg eod thru pct 4 weeks

Arimosin: 25mg ED thru pct 4 weeks

SERM

Nolva 4 weeks ed
40mg
40mg
20mg
20mg

Appreciate it. I don't think I'm gonna go this route though since I feel as if I would gain more weight than I would want to. I'm looking to only gain a solid 10 pounds after PCT... that cycle would get me a little too swoll.

 

[coltmc45]

If you're only looking to gain 10 lbs then save yourself the hassle and health issues and buy some eggs and chicken. Diet can get you there an you don't have to put on a bunch of fat either. Eat 500 cals above maintenance Ed til you stop gaining and then eat 500 cals above that. You look bigger then 151 and good in your avi (no homo) so you know how to eat and train to cut, just switch your diet and training up and you'll gain your 10 lbs. Dbol only cycles are horrible bro. Dbol shuts your natty test down on day one and aromatizes quick so you're left with no test and high estro. Run a dose of test for 10 wks at 500mg a week with aromasin at 12.5 Ed and proper post cycle therapy (pct) and eat right and you can put on that 10 lbs and cut up even more.

 

[NastyNate500]

Appreciate it. I don't think I'm gonna go this route though since I feel as if I would gain more weight than I would want to. I'm looking to only gain a solid 10 pounds after PCT... that cycle would get me a little too swoll.

Saying "swoll", talking about a Dbol only cycle, then flipping shit because you didn't get the answer you want.

Why did you ask the question if you don't want a fucking answer? Looking for praise for your stupid idea?

You claim to have done plenty of research but obviously not in the right places.

Read this.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/598646-oral-cycles.html

 

[bigherm2121]

Saying "swoll", talking about a Dbol only cycle, then flipping shit because you didn't get the answer you want.

Why did you ask the question if you don't want a fucking answer? Looking for praise for your stupid idea?

You claim to have done plenty of research but obviously not in the right places.

Read this.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/598646-oral-cycles.html

thank you! Nate I already went over this with him on another thread. All his did was basicly call me dumb and why do people take my advice. Lol its useless. From his avatar he has a nice build. Imo he don't need roids. If you can do that naturally why even.bother. you must be doing something right.

 

[seancho]

Saying "swoll", talking about a Dbol only cycle, then flipping shit because you didn't get the answer you want.

Why did you ask the question if you don't want a fucking answer? Looking for praise for your stupid idea?

You claim to have done plenty of research but obviously not in the right places.

Read this.

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/598646-oral-cycles.html

Yeah, I read the sticky that almost everyone refers to on this forum. Notice that at the end, he says "massive, long-term oral cycles". If you think dbol at 25mg/ED for 4 weeks is a massive, long-term cycle then I don't know what else to tell you. Dbol has its place, does it not? All I was looking for, in all honesty, was feedback for my PCT... and even if I would've gone back and renamed by thread "Review my PCT", it wouldn't have made a difference.

Jesus, you hardly see any negative feedback on a guy doing a 4+ steroid stack with a bridge, followed by who knows how many SERMs and supps... but when it comes to a stand-alone DBOL cycle, everyone flames you hard... warning you about it'll shut down your natural test... it's quite funny seeing guys post up actual lists of the amount of roids they do at one time, yet see nobody question or critique that person at all, yet you come across this thread and see this.

 

[bigherm2121]

Dude... you are being a douchebag. Chill out and listen to what we are telling you. If you disagree, fine... do what you want.

This is our house... you are welcome, be respectful until we get to know you... then act like a jackoff.

Owned. Lol. I find this thread interesting. It's like he's fighting for someone to come in here and say its ok. Oh ya i don't even know why I am helping you but 25mg a day isn't gonna do shit. You might as well not even take it. If you do take it ( which from the way you talk) you are going to. At least running at 40 a day

 

[traviswyliedime]

yea bro this cycle will get you huge. i totally think it is okay to do a dbol only cycle if you really hate your liver and have the money to get another one. On a second note, you will most likely piss out most of what you gained but what the hell this is your decision. Keep us posted

 

[NastyNate500]

Jesus, you hardly see any negative feedback on a guy doing a 4+ steroid stack with a bridge, followed by who knows how many SERMs and supps... but when it comes to a stand-alone DBOL cycle, everyone flames you hard... warning you about it'll shut down your natural test... it's quite funny seeing guys post up actual lists of the amount of roids they do at one time, yet see nobody question or critique that person at all, yet you come across this thread and see this.

Wrong.

If someone comes in here and says, for their first cycle, they're going to run test, deca, EQ, and dbol, they will get flamed immediately for their stupid idea and then they'll be told to run a simple test only cycle to start with.

If someone comes in here with that same list and it's their fifth cycle, they'll get real help because it's more realistic for them.

And people who ask about bridging are typically shot down as well because bridging shouldn't be done by anyone but those who aren't worried about being shut down or who already are and use testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) between cycles.

Want to know why people warn about dbol only cycles and your test shutting down? Because it's the truth. Dbol will make hell on your liver and shut you down. Sure, you might see a couple lbs of gain from the cycle. Was it really worth putting your liver through hell and back and overloading your body with work struggling to naturally produce test? I guess you've already decided it is. So go for it.

You're 151 lbs. You don't need gear to gain anyway. All you need is a trip to BJ's/Sam's Club/Costco for food, a consistent good diet, and a solid training program.

 

[coltmc45]

Ok now I'm irritated cuz I wasted my time trying to help this stupid fuck and be helpful and all he does is talk shit. Let us know how your bitch cycle goes since that's what you'll be feeling like afterwards with no test and high estro. Go to another site where people are retarded and will praise you're amazing oral only cycle because no ones gonna do it here. You ask for answers, get them, and then talk shit. If you know it all then do it. You obviously don't know shit cuz you don't even know a proper post cycle therapy (pct). Just take your dbol, shut the fuck up, and don't come back here bitching and crying after you do it and bloat up, feel like shit, and lose your gains cuz you don't wanna listen. Just like my sig says, "You may be the dumbest newbie we've ever had."

 

[bigherm2121]

Ok now I'm irritated cuz I wasted my time trying to help this stupid fuck and be helpful and all he does is talk shit. Let us know how your bitch cycle goes since that's what you'll be feeling like afterwards with no test and high estro. Go to another site where people are retarded and will praise you're amazing oral only cycle because no ones gonna do it here. You ask for answers, get them, and then talk shit. If you know it all then do it. You obviously don't know shit cuz you don't even know a proper post cycle therapy (pct). Just take your dbol, shut the fuck up, and don't come back here bitching and crying after you do it and bloat up, feel like shit, and lose your gains cuz you don't wanna listen. Just like my sig says, "You may be the dumbest newbie we've ever had."

well said

 

[balboa270]

Great, another "dbol cycles are only good for kick starting cycles" response. Please, there are plenty of people who start off using dbol only cycles, and report good gains along with keeping a portion of those gains after post cycle therapy (pct). I've done enough researching to know that a lot of these "OPINIONS" on d-bol are unfounded, it's an old wives tale. Dbol is more anabolic than test, IN THE SHORT TERM that is.

Listen, the more anabolic a drug is the more it will help you gain muscle tissue, not water retention. D-bol is perhaps the most anabolic steroid, mg for mg, there is. The truth is that a lot of guys who don't even know what proper dieting or training is, tend to go for dbol only cycles because they don't want to poke themselves with test. This results in a guy who ends up gaining 20 or so pounds in a month but then loses all of it because he doesn't have a clue as to how to retain mass, let alone workout or diet efficiently. This leads to him bad mouthing dbol only cycles, hence... we get the common wives tale of how dbol only cycles are worthless.

Also, many people get caught up in this myth because too many people tend to only look at the numbers. Notice that many dbol only cycles only last for about 4 weeks or so, while a test cycle would typically last for 8-12 weeks. Compare the amount (in mg) between the two cycles and you can see why many people simply ASSUME that dbol is only meant to "kick start" a cycle. Again, it's a myth.

It seems that every positive experience from dbol only cycles get completely overshadowed from negative experiences. Note, that most of the negative experiences are coming from guys who don't know a thing about training or nutrition, and only got on dbol because they didn't see any gym results after their intial 3-week trail membership at GOLD's. (LOL)

Look you weigh a 151 lbs shut the fuck up and eat weasel dick your pissing me off now. you want to be told your right.... just do it already

 

[bigherm2121]

I wish a mod would just ban him already. Lol does nothing but insult people who are wasting there time to help others. Most people take the advice and the others that don't at least don't insult us.

 

[seancho]

all these people quoting "facts", but I have yet to actually see one

"fact", the more anabolic a drug is, the more it will help you to build actual muscle tissue, not water retention, but actual growth.

"fact", dbol is one of the most anabolic drugs out there, mg per mg, it may just be the most anabolic, definitely going by my own experience.

so combine those 2 "facts", and dbol is superior in many ways, to many other anabolic steroids. So why does the old wive's tale about dbol only cycles still persist, that you cant gain and maintain real mass with it....Off hand I can see a few reasons....One, due to another wives tale about how hard it is on the liver, dbol cycles tend to be short, in the order of around 4 weeks, while test and other injectables cycles tend to be in the 8-12 week range. So no brainer, you will gain and keep more off one of the other cycles. Not to mention, add the the mg per week in a test cycle, and compare it to the mgs per week in a dbol cycle, the dbol user is using much less.

Also add in the fact that many that run dbol only cycles due so because they dont want to inject, which tends to have the users who are much less serious about bodybuilding taking this route...those more serious about getting huge, will get over their fear of poking. So this often being the case, the user knows less about training and nutrition, so they dont gain as much pure mass from the cycle as the experienced or serious user. Most of what they gain tends to be water, which of course is pissed out when they stop they cycle, regardless of the pct you follow. Also, this less experienced user, often has difficulty telling the difference between the water gained, and the muscle mass, this is easy to do as much of that water is held within the muscle, its not bloat....I fell for this many times during my early cycles

But I can honestly attribute much of my overall mass to dbol, arnold called it the breakfast of champions for a reason, and I think he knew more about bodybuilding than your average person who has these opinions of dbol. Mg per mg, dbol is by far the best steroid I have ever used...I have been cycling pretty extensively over the years, and as my avatar shows, I've done pretty well. And I am willing to bet I wouldnt be half this advanced without the drug

Dbol only cycles can be done successfully with lots of mass retained, you just need to keep a few things in mind

This is from needsize, a senior moderator on this particular forum.