First d-bol only cycle...

Dude just do the fuckin cycle and shut the fuck up godam your worse than both my ex wives in one room jesus christ.
 
hey man I am just about the same size and build as you and was on here asking a similar question... Of course I got the same response that you have been getting. I have acknowledged the advice on here without letting it deter me completely and continued researching. I think a cycle of anvar only might be more appropriate for your goals (and mine as well). also check out EQ, Masteron and Primobolan. what does everyone else think? ... wait for it...
 
tactical tachyon said:
hey man I am just about the same size and build as you and was on here asking a similar question... Of course I got the same response that you have been getting. I have acknowledged the advice on here without letting it deter me completely and continued researching. I think a cycle of anvar only might be more appropriate for your goals (and mine as well). also check out EQ, Masteron and Primobolan. what does everyone else think? ... wait for it...
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Helpless.
 
tactical tachyon said:
hey man I am just about the same size and build as you and was on here asking a similar question... Of course I got the same response that you have been getting. I have acknowledged the advice on here without letting it deter me completely and continued researching. I think a cycle of anvar only might be more appropriate for your goals (and mine as well). also check out EQ, Masteron and Primobolan. what does everyone else think? ... wait for it...
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Ya perfect. Anavar only is for chicks and pussies. Your not a chick so that kind of narrows it down. Dude your advising a young male to do steroids. Your not giving him advice on buying a car. It's his health and body. Go do some research before you speak.
 
seancho said:
Yeah, I read the sticky that almost everyone refers to on this forum. Notice that at the end, he says "massive, long-term oral cycles". If you think dbol at 25mg/ED for 4 weeks is a massive, long-term cycle then I don't know what else to tell you. Dbol has its place, does it not? All I was looking for, in all honesty, was feedback for my PCT... and even if I would've gone back and renamed by thread "Review my PCT", it wouldn't have made a difference.

Jesus, you hardly see any negative feedback on a guy doing a 4+ steroid stack with a bridge, followed by who knows how many SERMs and supps... but when it comes to a stand-alone DBOL cycle, everyone flames you hard... warning you about it'll shut down your natural test... it's quite funny seeing guys post up actual lists of the amount of roids they do at one time, yet see nobody question or critique that person at all, yet you come across this thread and see this.
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If you think dbol at 25mg/ED for 4 weeks is a massive, long-term cycle then I don't know what else to tell you. Dbol has its place

once again for the millionth time , there nothing wrong with dbol but dbol / steroids shut you down. a healthy male makes between 100-200 mg equivilant of test a week injected , thats a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose so your looking at shutting down 150 mg of test a week for 150 mg of dbol a week PLUS now for at least a while after dbol stops your at least partially shut down and not making that much test anymore . wy run a cycle to break even , it does NOT make sense.
 
I've never used yet, and I'm not ready... Got more I can acheive naturally... blah blah blah..... Just trying filling my head with knowledge...

I read the whole sticky dadawg put up about oral steroids, including the argument between bouncer and DADAWG.

Nobody has directly discredited "Senior Moderator" NeedSize when he said using d-bol only ISN'T a bad thing. I've read many good posts by DADAWG and NeedSize... But NeedSize says d-bol alone is A-OK.... it'd be cool to see dadawg discredit him directly... It's a little fishy to me because I've seen DADAWG call people fucking retarded for even thinking about D-bol only MANY times (it almost seems like one of DADAWG's highest held convictions) but the DADAWG posts on that same thread as needsize (the thread where needsize talks about d-bol)... and DADAWG didn't call him out.... AND NEEDSIZE WAS STRONGLY ADVOCATING THAT D-BOL ONLY CAN BE DONE SAFELY AND EFFECTIVELY. (not trying to come at anyone... i want to learn what this controversy is about! ...PLUS this did happen.)

Does NeedSize not know what the fuck he is talking about?

The entire steroid community seems split on on the use of oral only (more against the usage of oral only), and this message board is extremely polarized in the belief d-bol only is bad. Kids and novices seem way more likely to take oral only... I see a "Need help with my D-bol only cycle" post every day when i come here. because its oral, and you're don't need to poke yourself, it really seems to draw people who don't know what the fuck there doing to commence these oral only cycles. Is the Steroidology community shooting down oral only cycles because novices can really fuck their bodies up on them? Iunno.

Instead using google to find research studies on how oral only cycles are more negative than positive (because I don't know what studies are legit), can a vet provide a link to me on legitimate studies on how d-bol alone is bad?

Also, just because the studies in the 80s are older (I'm talking about the research done on D-bol), how does this make it an outdated science. What EXACTLY did they do in their research (techniques... etc) that makes their studies discredited? Just because a study was done a very long time ago, it doesn't make it irrelevant. If you claim that these studies are outdated, then their MUST be studies refuting them to deem them irrelevant...

I DO respect the vets when they post "I've seen it first hand what d-bol only cycles do to you." I'd respect the study of the effects on d-bol using the scientific method in a real research setting a lot more.

When I'm ready, I'm not going to do oral only because more vets are against oral only than for it... It probably has a shitty stigma for a reason. But I'd like to see the research that help form these opinions that D-bol alone is bad. (if there is any?)

- Highest Power
 
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seancho said:
Currently weigh 151 lbs at 5'8.

I don't want to start eating an extra two meals a day.
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seancho said:
Great, another "dbol cycles are only good for kick starting cycles" response.
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Hey man, this is what you said in a nutshell.

You want to gain weight but you don't want to eat.....

You want advice, but only if it agrees with what you already decided... therefore you do not want advice....

These guys spent time trying to help you. Either listen to em or stop wasting their time man.

There are a lot of different opinions out there but not many on this.

If your scared of needles don't juice.

If you are 19 don't abuse roids.

If you can't get above 200 lbs you should learn how to eat.

You really can't get to 170 lbs @ low body fat naturally???? Are you fucking kidding me?! Stop looking for the easy way out. DO IT TO IT!

You can do this kid, you don't need chems to hit your goals!!!! MAN UP!
 
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Matt W said:
Either your too fucken stupid to read, or your too fucken stupid to read. Dadawg is offering an educated opinion based on what he knows to be correct from YEARS of experience with cycling and power lifting.
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I understand that most posts revolve around educated opinions based years of experience... I've read around 30 or 40 posts by Dadawg and they increased my knowledge...(and im gonna read keep reading some) but i feel like people's opinions on steroids from this forum make up almost all of my knowledge... I want to learn the science behind it too! If two steroid vets who have been juicing for years are saying two very different things... I have to take everything posted on here with a grain of salt. How do I know FOR SURE who is right (because i have no experience) I'd like to know more about studies on this issue because I am genuinely interested.

I'd like to know where to start reading.
 
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there is a guy on here that has a plethara of knowledge on penis sizes though he might be a good place to start
 
I've recently finished a 30mg/d dbol only cycle and gained about 4-5kg. I had ZERO bad side effects; no hair loss, no acne, no headaches, no noticeable water retention, no atrophy, no rise in bp.....nothing bad to report at all. I had a viral infection about 3/4 of the way through, could barely eat for a week and still came out on top.

Up to you if you want to run an oral only cycle or not, but if so you need to MANAGE EXPECTATIONS more than anything. If you are aware that you will gain some water weight, and that you're not just going to stack on slabs of muscle like a 12 week test cycle and you're prepared to eat and train harder than ever then best of luck :)
 
Highest Power said:
I've never used yet, and I'm not ready... Got more I can acheive naturally... blah blah blah..... Just trying filling my head with knowledge...

I read the whole sticky dadawg put up about oral steroids, including the argument between bouncer and DADAWG.

Nobody has directly discredited "Senior Moderator" NeedSize when he said using d-bol only ISN'T a bad thing. I've read many good posts by DADAWG and NeedSize... But NeedSize says d-bol alone is A-OK.... it'd be cool to see dadawg discredit him directly... It's a little fishy to me because I've seen DADAWG call people fucking retarded for even thinking about D-bol only MANY times (it almost seems like one of DADAWG's highest held convictions) but the DADAWG posts on that same thread as needsize (the thread where needsize talks about d-bol)... and DADAWG didn't call him out.... AND NEEDSIZE WAS STRONGLY ADVOCATING THAT D-BOL ONLY CAN BE DONE SAFELY AND EFFECTIVELY. (not trying to come at anyone... i want to learn what this controversy is about! ...PLUS this did happen.)

Does NeedSize not know what the fuck he is talking about?

The entire steroid community seems split on on the use of oral only (more against the usage of oral only), and this message board is extremely polarized in the belief d-bol only is bad. Kids and novices seem way more likely to take oral only... I see a "Need help with my D-bol only cycle" post every day when i come here. because its oral, and you're don't need to poke yourself, it really seems to draw people who don't know what the fuck there doing to commence these oral only cycles. Is the Steroidology community shooting down oral only cycles because novices can really fuck their bodies up on them? Iunno.

Instead using google to find research studies on how oral only cycles are more negative than positive (because I don't know what studies are legit), can a vet provide a link to me on legitimate studies on how d-bol alone is bad?

Also, just because the studies in the 80s are older (I'm talking about the research done on D-bol), how does this make it an outdated science. What EXACTLY did they do in their research (techniques... etc) that makes their studies discredited? Just because a study was done a very long time ago, it doesn't make it irrelevant. If you claim that these studies are outdated, then their MUST be studies refuting them to deem them irrelevant...

I DO respect the vets when they post "I've seen it first hand what d-bol only cycles do to you." I'd respect the study of the effects on d-bol using the scientific method in a real research setting a lot more.

When I'm ready, I'm not going to do oral only because more vets are against oral only than for it... It probably has a shitty stigma for a reason. But I'd like to see the research that help form these opinions that D-bol alone is bad. (if there is any?)

- Highest Power
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needesize wasnt lying , he just forgets about genetics sometimes. have you seen his pics .trust me you will NOT get the same results as he does and considering how stubborn you are and how afraid of needles i seriouslly reccomend that you take upm a new hobby before you hurt yourself.
 
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