First Tren Cycle: Test C, Tren E, with a TBol/Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) Kicker

[Hugh Jerection]

First Tren Cycle: Test C, Tren E, with a TBol/TRT Kicker

44 yrs old, Natty until 42. Not a bodybuilder, just trying to add 30-50lbs to my lifts. 15-17% BF. 5'9" 211lbs.

Previous Cycles:
wks 1-10 Test 400

wks1-10 Test 500
wks1-10 Deca 400

Current Cycle:
wks 1-4 TBol 50mg
wks 1-4 testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) topical test (Starting at 8 pumps and reducing each wk by two)
wks 1-12 Test Cyp 100mg E3D
wks 1-10 Tren E 120mg E3D
wks 1-12 Aromasin 12.5 - .25 ED
wks 1-12 Caber .5mg E3D
wks 1-12 NAC 1800mg ED

Letro on hand if needed. No post cycle therapy (pct), will transition back to TRT.


So thanks to all the regular contributors to this forum. You've given me the courage to try the dreaded Tren. I run my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) pretty high, around 1300ng/dL, so I've a good history with using AIs, but I'm keeping the test as low as I can this cycle so I can analyze what the tren does to me. I've got more cyp and more aromasin on hand if I feel my libido slipping.

I chose the long esters because I've always used topical testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and I'm still not that confident in my pinning. I'm two pins in, and already discovered that it is NOT a good idea to pin quads too low towards the knee and then go and do eight sets of box squats. That was yesterday, and today there seems to be a lot of fluid that drifted down to just above the knee, causing a lot of pain. I had no problems with the first pin, so its not the gear, just a bad decision on my part. Oh well, lesson learned. Its a total bitch, but I'm kind of secretly enjoying it, lol.

Anyways, my idea to go ahead and apply my topical testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as a kickstart for the first four weeks seems like a winner. An hour or two after just my second pin of Test Cyp 100mg and Tren 140mg (the tren was 20mg higher than it will typically be on this cycle because I miscalculated the first dose and had to make up for it) I had the unmistakable sense of power and well-being and then a bit of temper in traffic. On day four. Wow, THAT was quick!

I'm also very impressed with the placebo effect, lol. My workouts have been incredibly focused and intense. Its too early for anything to have kicked in, but I'm already up 5 pounds on my bench and five more reps on my sets of box squats. The mind is probably a pretty good steroid too?

Thanks in advance for any ideas or suggestions that you may have for a first time tren user. Cheers!

 

[Hugh Jerection]

DAY 5

Feeling good this morning except for the pip all around my knee. Funny how it dropped from the quad down to the knee. It really feels like I hurt the knee somehow.

Woke up at 3:45 and can't go back to sleep so I'm on the way to the gym to try to loosen this thing up with some light cardio, then some tanning. Gonna try to pin ventro glute tomorrow.

 

[Hugh Jerection]

Well...

Was watching The Walking Dead on my phone via Netflix while on the elliptical. One of the main characters got killed and I literally almost started crying. I SERIOUSLY wanted to tell the older lady whom I don't know on the machine next to me all about my feelings.

Bwahahaha! Guess its time to up my aromasin to .25 and make an order for an extra bottle, lol. Two may not be enough for this cycle. Going to move bloodwork up from at 8wks to at 6wks.

 

[Metalhead]

Well...

Was watching The Walking Dead on my phone via Netflix while on the elliptical. One of the main characters got killed and I literally almost started crying. I SERIOUSLY wanted to tell the older lady whom I don't know on the machine next to me all about my feelings.

Bwahahaha! Guess its time to up my aromasin to .25 and make an order for an extra bottle, lol. Two may not be enough for this cycle. Going to move bloodwork up from at 8wks to at 6wks.

Haha! Tren will play with those emotions brother.

 

[Hugh Jerection]

DAY 6 and I think the TBol is kicking pretty good.

Ok, what the fuck are "back pumps"? Lol.

Because I think I have them in my mid/upper back running along both sides of my spine. Just feels like those muscles are cramping up. The only way to ease it is to lie down or consciously pull my shoulders back, contracting the muscles. It is debilitating to sit in front of a computer. I must be overly developed in my pecs and front delts or something compared to my traps and rhomboids???

 

[allen87]

is 250 of test and 300 of tren with 30mg dbol everyday for 4wks a decent first cycle for my first time with tren

 

[Hugh Jerection]

is 250 of test and 300 of tren with 30mg dbol everyday for 4wks a decent first cycle for my first time with tren

I couldn't tell you, honestly. At least not yet. The cyp and tren enanthate won't even be kicking in for another 3-4 weeks. I see you've calculated my E3D doses out to a weekly proportion. I think 300mg of tren is plenty to start with, at least from what I'm hearing about Pinn's new stronger formula.

You can certainly go higher on the test, but only if you are experienced and COMPLETELY confident in your ability to manage estrogen sides at that higher dose.

 

[Hugh Jerection]

Also, I think the prevailing wisdom is that you have to run the test/tren for 8-12 wks. You'll need a good Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for that DBol.

 

[Hugh Jerection]

DAY 7

Weight is up 2 lbs but really can't see where it is. Pinning quads is still painful but a little less each time.

 

[Hugh Jerection]

DAY 8

Weighed 215 this morning, so that's a four pound gain in 12 days. Belly looking big all of a sudden. I'm interpreting these signs as bloat from the test.

Put on a tight shirt and my nipples started itching. Hmmmmm. Took 25mg of aromasin (my adjusted daily dose), and then went ahead and took .5mg of Letro as a small one-time dose to correct it quickly.

 

[Hugh Jerection]

DAY 9

Pissed out two pounds of water last night....had to get up about 6 times in the night. Feel much better today and can see my abs again, lol.

I was in a hurry this morning and accidentally pinned my delt WITH THE NEEDLE I USED TO DRAW UP THE OILS. Fuck. It hurt immediately so I know tomorrow will be a bitch. Never heard of anyone doing this. Any major complications to worry about?

 

[smittiot]

I always stick with the same pin I draw with. However, I usually only draw from one vial as I like to pin seperatley.

 

[KingPen]

DAY 10 and I think the TBol is kicking pretty good.

Ok, what the fuck are "back pumps"? Lol.

Because I think I have them in my mid/upper back running along both sides of my spine. Just feels like those muscles are cramping up. The only way to ease it is to lie down or consciously pull my shoulders back, contracting the muscles. It is debilitating to sit in front of a computer. I must be overly developed in my pecs and front delts or something compared to my traps and rhomboids???

I think when people refer to 'back pumps', especially AAS induced, most are reffering to a pump in the lower back / lumbar region.

you could be right about your lack of development in your posterior chain ( not uncommon ).

 

[Hugh Jerection]

I always stick with the same pin I draw with. However, I usually only draw from one vial as I like to pin seperatley.

Well, it wasnt the disaster I expected. I did draw from two bottles (Tren E 200, Test Cyp 250), so I'm sure that the 23gauge tip was somewhat dulled, but the pip wasn't even bad, especially compared to what I've been seeing in my quads.

Delts are now definitely in the rotation!

 

[Hugh Jerection]

I think when people refer to 'back pumps', especially AAS induced, most are reffering to a pump in the lower back / lumbar region.

you could be right about your lack of development in your posterior chain ( not uncommon ).

Thanks for the clarification. I'm starting to think its also related to the vyvanse that I take, as it seems to hit me about an hour after I pop the pill.

 

[smittiot]

so, your combined injection is about 1cc total? When I get to 2cc is when I would like to seperate into two 1cc injects. Some no problem, but I seem to do better with 2 sticks.

 

[Hugh Jerection]

so, your combined injection is about 1cc total? When I get to 2cc is when I would like to seperate into two 1cc injects. Some no problem, but I seem to do better with 2 sticks.

Its a little over, about 1.3cc. And that is ALL that I can handle, lol.

 

[Hugh Jerection]

DAY 11

Back up to 215lbs this morning (baseline was 211), but no obvious signs of bloating and nipples have returned to normal sensitivity, so I'm ok with it.

I'm eating like crazy (shooting for 3500cals which is 500 over TDEE) and getting in a ton of good carbs. 2 full cups (dry) oatmeal, at least one sweet potato and at least one cup of brown/wild rice every day. 350g of protein is tough to chew in 24 hours, but I'm doing that too.

The Tbol has my strength up (I did 275lbs for 4 reps on incline bench, which is not even an exercise that I normally do) and I did incline flys with 80lb dumbbells and didn't tear anything thank god.

The combination of the Test Cyp and testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) topical test plus the caber have me down to fuck at a moment's notice. My wife could probably use a break, but she's not complaining, and in fact, seems to be unusually into me. I've hit it four times in the last three days and her vag is starting to look like a beat up old catcher's mitt, lol.

I'm thinking of doubling the Caber to 1mg just to see what happens. Probably give me chainsaw cock.

 

[Hugh Jerection]

DAY 13

Wow, felt as good yesterday as I can ever remember feeling. Just a really great mood consistently throughout the day. Ran errands for the wife, including a last-minute shopping trip to Walmart for hair paint for the kids. This would normally have soured my mood, but I was just too bright and positive on the inside. Went to a 1st grade musical program and for the first time didn't sneak-read sports forums on my phone. I chatted engagingly like Bill Clinton to lots of other parents, then took the fam out to dinner on the spur of the moment and we had a really terrific time.

I'm scared of what steroids are doing to me, lol.

 

[Hugh Jerection]

DAY 15

Shoulder caps starting to swell up nicely. Looking pretty cut too.

Last night I had two disturbing dreams. My wife got up and went to sleep in another room due to my snoring, which gets worse when I'm adding weight. Woke up four times myself and was sweaty under the covers. Think the tren is starting to work.

In the gym this morning I picked up the 90lb dumbbells and did 4 sets of overhead dumbbell presses for 12 reps each. STRONG! The TBol has my veins just looking sick. Seriously, they're kind of gross.