fucked up from prohormone cycle!

[xolove]

My ex took a prohormone called tren I think, he stopped very near the end of the cycle as he started to get bad acne and started acting and feeling strange. He wanted to be on his own and his sex drive diminished. He did pct I'm not sure what but he ended the relationship saying he felt fucked up, empty basically felt nothing for any one and just wanted to be left alone. Almost 2 months later he made contact with me he is still in the same place and is now on a dbol cycle. He said he feels down, depressed, worthless and hates himself he cant stick to any decison he makes and keeps changing his mind on wanting to be with me. He's anxious and has turned to drinking a few times a week as he says he drinks to feel something?
Can pro hormones and Dbol have fucked him up this bad? I keep saying he needs to go to a doctor as his hormones are probably all messed up but he refused to get a blood test his blood pressure is also extremely high. He keeps saying it'll just go away but its been 3 months and he hasnt even felt a percent better. I don't even know this person anymore its scary to see how much he's changed

 

[MusclesMcGee]

Tren completely shuts down natural testosterone production, and dbol converts to estrogen, his estrogen is probably threw the roof while his body is not producing any testosterone, hcg and nolvadex should do the trick, or Viagra

 

[tury694]

Tren is not a prohormone, it is one of the most powerful anabolic steroids know to man. He was using this while not suplementing with testosterone, which his body stopped producing when tren was injected, and his body and mind failed to function properly from the lack of testosterone. He is foolish for not researching any of this before using it as a simple post on these forums would have saved you and him a lot of trouble. It sounds like his hpta never recovered, but this needs to be confirmed via bloodwork. If he is permanently shutdown he will need to try a pct and if that does not work he will be jamming a needle full of testosterone into his ass once a week for the rest of his life.

 

[Havasu]

Dbol is not a prohormone either, and men should never do oral only cycles. Testosterone is the foundation of any steroid cycle. It sounds like your ex is an idiot who jumped into this with no research. I'm guessing this isn't the only decision he has made this way, and it probably won't be the last one. You're better off without him. However, for his own good tell him to get on here and start learning, and asking questions. He may be able to fix this on his own, but he needs to learn first, and spend the money that will be needed to get what he needs to fix the situation.

Unfortunately not many doctors are very well versed on topics such as this. Unless he can afford to go to a Testosterone Replacement Therapy Clinic, some place that specializes in this, and they can guide him through how to do a proper HPTA Restart. Basically an intense Post Cycle Therapy to see if he will be able to naturally produce testosterone at a sufficient level on his own every again. Insurance won't cover the cost of the visit to a TRT Specialist. The best he could hope for is getting testosterone covered if it's prescribed. However, all the other medications he would be prescribed he would be out of pocket to pay for. Insurance won't cover them. He could also by them through the underground market like many people do.

 

[Ghost124]

Tren is not a prohormone, it is one of the most powerful anabolic steroids know to man. He was using this while not suplementing with testosterone, which his body stopped producing when tren was injected, and his body and mind failed to function properly from the lack of testosterone. He is foolish for not researching any of this before using it as a simple post on these forums would have saved you and him a lot of trouble. It sounds like his hpta never recovered, but this needs to be confirmed via bloodwork. If he is permanently shutdown he will need to try a pct and if that does not work he will be jamming a needle full of testosterone into his ass once a week for the rest of his life.

There is a PH that takes on the Tren name

TREN Xtreme Reviews - SupplementReviews.com

Not really sure what's in it, but there is a Max Muscle by my gym that sells it and other PH's that I see idiots buying all the time left and right

 

[xolove]

Thanks everyone I really appreciate youtaking the time to reply! I guess I'm just in shock at howmuch he has changed he's totally messed himself up mentally as well as halfing in size! Is this something he can recover from on hisown because he will not go to a doctor?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

he needs some HCG stat

 

[Hypnotix]

Thanks everyone I really appreciate youtaking the time to reply! I guess I'm just in shock at howmuch he has changed he's totally messed himself up mentally as well as halfing in size! Is this something he can recover from on hisown because he will not go to a doctor?

Well, he's going to have to go to a clinic for blood work at the very least.

If it was Tren, or a PH called Tren.. doesn't matter necessarily for this situation. Both will shut down his natural test production. Dbol will shut down his natural test production.

More than likely he didn't take the recommended (on this forum, and many others) Post cycle recovery medicines after using these drugs. This means his natural test production will be weak or nonexistent. Especially based on the side effects he's experiencing.

As mentioned above his Estrogen could be high as well, causing a plethora of other problems as well as similar ones to those from low test.

None of this can technically be confirmed without blood work though. I think we can all safely assume that because he didn't do PCT.. that would be the first thing to get him on. If he doesn't recover,(properly timed blood work will show this) he will need to get on Testosterone Replacement Therapy for life.

PCT may or may not help him.. but it's worth a try before committing to the life long injections.

He will need Clomid and Nolvadex which can be purchased from RUI (site sponsor). And probably HCG for a few weeks before starting the Clomid and Nolvadex.

HCG will prime his testicles for recovery (real HCG is an injectable, you must mix it, so learn about it on here). Clomid will essentially tell his testicles to produce. And Nolvadex will prevent estrogen build-up at the breast site, along with some other synergistic effects with the Clomid. Clomid and Nolvadex are both oral solutions, pills or liquid typically.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Well, he's going to have to go to a clinic for blood work at the very least.

If it was Tren, or a PH called Tren.. doesn't matter necessarily for this situation. Both will shut down his natural test production. Dbol will shut down his natural test production.

More than likely he didn't take the recommended (on this forum, and many others) Post cycle recovery medicines after using these drugs. This means his natural test production will be weak or nonexistent. Especially based on the side effects he's experiencing.

As mentioned above his Estrogen could be high as well, causing a plethora of other problems as well as similar ones to those from low test.

None of this can technically be confirmed without blood work though. I think we can all safely assume that because he didn't do PCT.. that would be the first thing to get him on. If he doesn't recover,(properly timed blood work will show this) he will need to get on Testosterone Replacement Therapy for life.

PCT may or may not help him.. but it's worth a try before committing to the life long injections.

He will need Clomid and Nolvadex which can be purchased from RUI (site sponsor). And probably HCG for a few weeks before starting the Clomid and Nolvadex.

HCG will prime his testicles for recovery (real HCG is an injectable, you must mix it, so learn about it on here). Clomid will essentially tell his testicles to produce. And Nolvadex will prevent estrogen build-up at the breast site, along with some other synergistic effects with the Clomid. Clomid and Nolvadex are both oral solutions, pills or liquid typically.

He definitely needs an HPTA restart, I have seen more guys ruin their HPTA from pro hormones than AAS, far more. The level of suppression is actually far worse as well.

This is because a pro hormone can turn into many different hormones, some of which are much more suppressive than others.

His HPTA is obviously suppressed based on history and symptoms.

 

[siq]

This is exactly what happened to me at 19 with prohormones. I had no clue what I was doing an fucked myself up. Got acne so bad I had to do accutane. I was super-depressed and honestly felt like killing myself everyday, also had zero sexdrive. Blood pressure was out of control, just generally all together unhealthy. I drank every night to flush the pain away.. Little did I know that it was testosterone that I needed....

All I've ever done since then is testosterone E or C and my life is great(no side effects at all).... I wish I never would of fucked with any orals whatsoever, if I just went staright to the real thing everything would of been fine. This is why I urge everyone to just stay away from orals, its not worth it. Injecting test is so much more practical and healthy.

Just tell him to stick it out and hang in there, it will pass.

 

[xolove]

This is exactly what happened to me at 19 with prohormones. I had no clue what I was doing an fucked myself up. Got acne so bad I had to do accutane. I was super-depressed and honestly felt like killing myself everyday, also had zero sexdrive. Blood pressure was out of control, just generally all together unhealthy. I drank every night to flush the pain away.. Little did I know that it was testosterone that I needed....

All I've ever done since then is testosterone E or C and my life is great(no side effects at all).... I wish I never would of fucked with any orals whatsoever, if I just went staright to the real thing everything would of been fine. This is why I urge everyone to just stay away from orals, its not worth it. Injecting test is so much more practical and healthy.

Just tell him to stick it out and hang in there, it will pass.

Thank you for your reply! How long did it take you to feel yourelf again? Its almost been 3 months of no change for him! I feel he could be getting worse.
Anxiety,depression, feeling worthless,drinking to feel something as he says he feels nothing! No feelings for me or his family. low sex drive. Nose bleeds from the high blood pressure, contantly changing his mind and not sticking to decisions. He won't go to a doctor and take a blood test because they will know he has been taking stuff. He doesn't want anything to do with me anymore as I have been pushing him to get help. He says he's totally fucked upand doesnt know what is wrong with him! Will the old him ever come back?

 

[siq]

Thank you for your reply! How long did it take you to feel yourelf again? Its almost been 3 months of no change for him! I feel he could be getting worse.
Anxiety,depression, feeling worthless,drinking to feel something as he says he feels nothing! No feelings for me or his family. low sex drive. Nose bleeds from the high blood pressure, contantly changing his mind and not sticking to decisions. He won't go to a doctor and take a blood test because they will know he has been taking stuff. He doesn't want anything to do with me anymore as I have been pushing him to get help. He says he's totally fucked upand doesnt know what is wrong with him! Will the old him ever come back?

Well first off hes gotta understand that he got himself into this mess and was ill-prepared, now hes gotta get himself out. Hes gotta go to the doctor to get some clonodine or tenex or something to lower the BP for now.
Its been 3 months so the blood test wont show hes on anything, they wont check his test-levels anyway so i don't know what hes tripping about. Besides, who cares if the doctor knows, big deal...

He needs to understand that his natural test levels are messed up, thats why he feels miserable.. And he either needs to ride it out and just recover naturally(this is the proper thing to do. You're looking at 6 months, somewhere around there)... OR get some real testosterone(Test E or C) and feel 100x better in a couple weeks. Start injecting 500mg a week. Theres a BEGINNERS GUIDE on the forum that will show him everything he needs. I know it seems like a big step but thats what its gonna require to feel better.. Its a decision he'll have to make.

But as for now get the Drs appt to get some BP meds first things first. If he does what I'm saying his test levels will fire back up and he'll be feeling great and both u guys will be happier. Its up to him though.

If he starts the test...In a few weeks he'll be like "Wow. this is whats been missing". Test is like the best anti-depressant in the world.