Getting back on PH...its been awhile..

[DozerSoldier]

Hello all. First post here.
Im currently 30 years old. 185lbs(and climbing). 5'10"
Not sure of bodyfat, but not much of it.
Never had any medical issues..
No high blood pressure, no cholesterol problems, ect...

Used to be heavy into bodybuilding for about 7 years. Went to Iraq in 2005-2006, 11B Infantry for the US Army..
Lost alot of weight running around with all the gear on in the high heat. I was at 215lbs, pretty solid....got down to 150lbs at one point when we were doing alot of missions back to back...
Gained alot of the weight back toward the end of my rotation.....left there about 175, lean.

Never used real gear...
Last time I did PH was when 19-Norandrostenedione and the other forms of androsenedione were on the market.
Cycled it, never knew about PCT,,,,at that time....but never had any sides while on andro, other than aggression...got angry, frustrated, and had no patience.....for stupidity...or if I missed a meal....watch out...
But then again, I was using more than what the recommended dosage was....in the beginning. But cut back a little after some time....
Also no sides when I came off, with no PCT...

ANYWAY.....very interested in Beastdrol/Helladrol
Kind of torn between which one to get...
My goal is to get what any other body builder would want...solid gains..

and a recommended PCT...if needed...
I'm seeing some recommendations of Unleashed and Post-Cycle product.
Would be great if I knew how many capsules come in a container, or maybe I overlooked that info....

As far as my diet...its great...yeah, I measure/calculate everything....as well as timing of what and when, I eat what I eat.
Very educated in sports nutrition....

Workout: 4 day split(4 on 1 off) with some cardio in there.
Day 1:Shoulders/Traps/Triceps
Day 2:Back/Forearms
Day 3:Legs/Calves
Day 4:Chest/Biceps
Day 5:Off/alot of stretching

Other supplements I currently take..
ON Gold Standard Whey-3 scoops per day.
ON Gold Standard Casein-1 scoop before bed.
Various forms of Creatine-Glutamine-Arginine.
Multivitamin
Lipo 6, 2 liquid pills 1 hour before workouts...

So for my first cycle, I'm thinking of getting either Beastdrol, or Helladrol, and the Post Cycle Double Pack....
One bottle "Post Cycle" for use during the cycle, and the other bottle for off cycle..and some Unleashed onhand also....

Of course I will be doing liver support through this...

Though I am liking that there are 3 cycles in the 180capsule Helladrol...
More bang for the buck it seems....

So what do you recommend for me? Beastdrol or Helladrol? Any other questions about my diet or goals, just ask....

 

[shaggz]

dont take beastdrol..yet.
take either helladrol or epi-strong.

for pct...Nolva or Clomid..anything else is garbage.

 

[DozerSoldier]

Thanks for the response...
I notice orbitnutrition is out of stock of the Helladrol..as indicated on the site...

However, MrSupps does not have a "in stock/out of stock" indicator. So I don't know if its in stock or out of stock...
Though I am able to put the item in my cart, and I am able to click "Proceed to Checkout", but not sure if that means its in stock...
Any ideas....?
Ready to place order over here...

 

[shaggz]

Thanks for the response...
I notice orbitnutrition is out of stock of the Helladrol..as indicated on the site...

However, MrSupps does not have a "in stock/out of stock" indicator. So I don't know if its in stock or out of stock...
Though I am able to put the item in my cart, and I am able to click "Proceed to Checkout", but not sure if that means its in stock...
Any ideas....?
Ready to place order over here...

Turinabol Lv, from Primordial performance. its the same thing as helladrol.

 

[DozerSoldier]

yeah, but need it in oral pill form...going half on the Helladrol with someone....

 

[Gabberhouse24]

yeah, but need it in oral pill form...going half on the Helladrol with someone....

How do you mean? Because for a solid Hella cycle you will need two bottles for each of you, so there would be no splitting anyway.

If your going to run the Hella, run it 50/75/75/75/75/75, followed by a solid post cycle therapy (pct) with Nolva or Clomid and you will get some good results. I ran H-Drol (same compound) just like this and gained a solid 15 lbs.

 

[DozerSoldier]

Thanks for the info...
For the first cycle. Im(we) will be going 50/50/75/75/75
91caps total, will be one pill shy on the last dose.So for first day of 3rd week, it will be 50...

 

[barrysanders]

a PCT is always needed for anything that fluxuates your test or estro levels (which is in your case as well). I have not done the PH that your looking at but have done others that are similar. Get yourself, nolva & Aromasin (liquid version from RUI is cheap and works good and you should have some left over for other cycles). If you need help with dosages just let me know (PM me or something).

 

[DozerSoldier]

Allright, got the Helladrol today....
Today is July 1, ordered on June 29th.
So basically here in 2 days.
I live in Michigan....

Professionally packaged in a box, with alot of paper filler protection.

Bottle/Graphics are just as shown on MrSupps website.
I think I actually got bigger just looking at the picture of the blue demon on the bottle...

So I will chart my results here.

Ordered Tamox(Nolva) from RUI...will be here shortly....

Got my own mix for liver support....

 

[barrysanders]

G2g

 

[DozerSoldier]

Also, before I come off the cycle, considering getting TESTOSTERONE RECOVERY STACK(TRS) from Primordial....
Or maybe some other type of testosterone recovery...
any recommendations or preferred products??

Anyway, I take Lipo 6 from Nutrex Research, preworkout, for energy....
I will also be taking 1 capsule(25mg) of the Helladrol...
Usually 1 hour before working out....

Think any of these ingredients will have adverse effects...

Synephrine HCL 20mg *
Synthetic 99% Guggulsterones Z&E 1:1 20mg *
Yohimbine HCL 3mg *
Caffeine Anhydrous 200mg *
Bioperine 5mg

Concerned mainly with the Yohimbine HCL and Synephrine HCL....

As well as some Body Fortress supplements...
1 scoop Super Advanced Creatine HP, and 1 scoop of their 100% Glutamine...

And by the way, there is a website that has this "Code" tag option, that makes anything you dont want to be searchable, unsearchable...to be discreet...from google,ect....
maybe should be incorporated here.....

 

[DozerSoldier]

I am weighing myself in the nude...LOL
Started July 1st, today is July 5th.
Starting weight was 185.
Currently at 189...up 4 lbs...
I would post before and after photos, but I got very distinguishing tatoos, and people that love to research me, and post things about me in their blogs, and talk smack....

I am a recording mixing and mastering engineer, but also a R&B/Rap/Crunk/Club artist myself. Also studio acoustics and design.
If you do a google search on DozerSoldier, you will not find me...but you will find others with this same name...though the ones related to anabolic forums are me.

Things I have noticed: First, I am in tune with my body, so I will know if there are any changes...though I am not sure if its possible, since this is my 5th day on the Helladrol...
Well, I have noticed that I have this good pumped feeling...something like being on any of the AKG supplements. Now, the creatine I take does have some AKG type supplement in there, but it was not making me feel like this before I started taking Helladrol. Also notice that pumped feeling in my lower to upper back...but not the strong back pumps that I am reading about, not real strong ones yet....

Also, now this could be the placebo effect, but I feel more aggressive in the gym...recover from a set pretty quickly, and do not feel totally thrashed and drained after my workout...feel like I still got some umphhh....
Which has caused me to change up my training...all of which I know could be just adaptation.
Though, the aggression/focus, is for sure increased. Now, as far as aggression, I'm not referring to anger.

Another thing that could be placebo, but not sure, is an increased sense of well being......

 

[MMA732]

Muscle fullness, increased vascularity, good sense of well being, aggression, and back pumps are common with Helladrol, keep the updates coming.

 

[shaggz]

I agree with all the above. sounds right.
BUT...what about a decrease in sex drive? i imagined at first it should make me a sexual beast...but Im experienced the oposite i think.. in the last week or 2 of my cycle. i kept lost my hard-on during sex a few times, and my sexual drive seemed much lower than usual. not sure if it was the halodrol..or just a bad stressed out week that mentally effected me.

 

[MMA732]

I agree with all the above. sounds right.
BUT...what about a decrease in sex drive? i imagined at first it should make me a sexual beast...but Im experienced the oposite i think.. in the last week or 2 of my cycle. i kept lost my hard-on during sex a few times, and my sexual drive seemed much lower than usual. not sure if it was the halodrol..or just a bad stressed out week that mentally effected me.

Unfortunately most phs will lower libido quite a bit, only 4-ad or Derma are likely to increase libido. I have heard Natadrol helped in this department as well.

 

[tednatas]

What about stacking it with something like this?
Advanced Muscle Science 1-Androsterone UTT, 60 mL

 

[MMA732]

What about stacking it with something like this?
Advanced Muscle Science 1-Androsterone UTT, 60 mL

1-andro will lower libido big time, now if you interest is to get gains, epi stacks better with helladrol than 1-andro aka 1t.

 

[DozerSoldier]

UPDATE: Been on Helladrol since the 1st of this month(July 2010) Its day 24.
Did one week at 50mg, and have been at 75mg. Every day.
No major side effects.
Just a little bit of oily skin. Some times get hot flashes, or something like that. And a little of the back pumps, in the lower back. The worst one, though it wasn't really bad, was when I was mowing the lawn. Seems like walking in sandles/flip flops, as opposed to regular shoes, causes it more too. Also doing deadlifts too, of course. It funny though, because its worse after the set, and I bend over to put away a 45lb plate, back on the plate rack, which is closer to the floor. I feel a real tense feeling then, but not when Im actually deadlifting.
Though I kind of actually like it...its not a real painful feeling...
I read alot of people using Taurine for that. My creatine supplement has about 1g per serving of the Taurine.
I will be conduction my Annual Training(National Gaurd) on August 6. I will be gone for 23 days. Im in the Infantry, so I will expect to loose a little weight,from all the movements.
So I will be ending the cycle on the 31st...
SO it would really only be a 4 week cycle...
I will be following up with PCT...

So far I have gained 12lbs. Im sure I will gain some more before its over.
I could have gained more by now, but I'm not doing a full blown bulking diet.
So things are so far so good. Really loving this stuff....

Edit: Another Update: Did back yesterday. Finished off with 45degree bent over barbell rows, followed up by some deadlift sets. First time I have had the back pumps to where it was pretty intense. At first, I was skeptical if they even existed. But they do....trust me...

 

[DozerSoldier]

I have 2 more days for this first cycle of Helladrol. I started at 185, and currently weigh in at 203. I could have gained more, but I was eating pretty lean. Everyone who hasn't seen me in awhile, freaks out when the see me. As I have said, my heaviest weight was 215, but that was at a higher bodyfat. That was in 2005.
I never experienced any libido loss. Still a beast.
Only sides were back pumps, and a little oily skin....but hell, the oily skin could have been because it was hot outside.

Also, a little increase in blood pressure.

Now, I will lose some weight, because I will be leaving Aug. 6th, for 23 days, doing military operations. But I will gain that back in a week.

My next cycle, will be on Beast, so hopefully its still up for grabs next cycle time...

Well, its off to PCT....

As far as if Helladrol works...Hell yes it works...
I only tried it on a gamble. Knowing damn well, that this whole website could have been ran by one person, and that every post here in this whole forum, where people are touting using these hormones, could be, made up fictitious people, who are really the people who made the product.
I am very skeptical. I don't believe anything I hear, and half of what I see. No offense to anyone...its just how I think...

That is not the case here.
This shit if for reals.

But if you think that you can take any of these Pro Hormones, and just sit around and get large, you are mistaken. You have to help the PH, help you. You have to train insane, but safely of course. You must have a proper diet, and ect....

 

[davidmorgan744]

As per me there is a problem with the drug you are taking. Stop taking it. You can go for alternative of that drug.