Growth Hormone (serum) Riptropins
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Zeek
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I suspect Mike is in the same boat with _ from another site and heavyiron from here in that all 3 just respond low to both the pharm grade control as well as whatever generic they are testing. Why do they respond low? that would be nice to get answered.
It is a shame neither Mike nor heavy can post their tests over on that other site without getting some sort of permission before hand. since both guys did as they do and used a pharm grade control. They are most likely only aware of 1 guy being a low responder as opposed to the 3 that we know about since we have a much more open policy about test result posting here.
It is a shame neither Mike nor heavy can post their tests over on that other site without getting some sort of permission before hand. since both guys did as they do and used a pharm grade control. They are most likely only aware of 1 guy being a low responder as opposed to the 3 that we know about since we have a much more open policy about test result posting here.
heavyiron
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I pm'd rAJJIN the day I got my results.
I seriously need to measure my IGF-1 levels next time. I'm wondering if they are also a bit low or if they measure more in line with normal GH responders.
I can say this though. My cts was crippling on Saturday night. I mean really bad. Had to skip Sunday and drop down to 5iu from there forward.
Zeek
Community Veteran
Chew on this information for a bit, it is news that has been proclaimed over and over by gensci/jintropin. Could these low responders in fact have built up antibodies as they have been warning about since 2005?
Let me explain it without pulling a nasty ole copy and paste job
Gensci is basically saying that their pharm grade Gh is pure 191aa and that many of these "others" do in fact at least contain small amounts 192aa and that this will shoot up the occurring of anti body formation.
They claim that users of Jintropin much like humatrope only have a 3% chance of for forming antibodies to the Gh and in essence stop your own bodys hgh from functioning as it should. IMO this would also affect the bodies reponse to gh injected from outside as well.
They are claiming that 25% + of users of other chinese Gh are in fact forming antibodies from the gh they are taking. I don;t buy the 25%, think it is a scare tactic but I could buy into maybe 10-12% without twisting my arm much
we will have another test result from dahurt soon who will be testing the same rips mike has/same batch etc.
Myself,Mike,The Sponge,hurt will then be testing on elitropins, same batch!! that will be the test to watch for
Let me explain it without pulling a nasty ole copy and paste job
Gensci is basically saying that their pharm grade Gh is pure 191aa and that many of these "others" do in fact at least contain small amounts 192aa and that this will shoot up the occurring of anti body formation.
They claim that users of Jintropin much like humatrope only have a 3% chance of for forming antibodies to the Gh and in essence stop your own bodys hgh from functioning as it should. IMO this would also affect the bodies reponse to gh injected from outside as well.
They are claiming that 25% + of users of other chinese Gh are in fact forming antibodies from the gh they are taking. I don;t buy the 25%, think it is a scare tactic but I could buy into maybe 10-12% without twisting my arm much
we will have another test result from dahurt soon who will be testing the same rips mike has/same batch etc.
Myself,Mike,The Sponge,hurt will then be testing on elitropins, same batch!! that will be the test to watch for
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heavyiron
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Interesting theory. Thank you.
Previous to the blue tops I only ran GH from a US compounding pharmacy. That was several years ago. So after about a 2 year break I started up the Blue tops in November and ran maybe 2 1/2 months. I then got fake kits so I was off GH for maybe a month. Now its been 2 1/2 months back on. During this time every test has come back lower than normal including my last labs that were US Tev-Tropin. However. My last labs were the highest I ever measured so my response was greatest with the US pharm grade after the longest duration on GH. Seems like this would shoot down the possibility of me being in the anti-body group?
Here are my results in order of when I did them. The first result was early March then the others followed.
heavyiron (250 lbs) 3/12 10iu Z Blue Top rhGH at 3 hours 11 minutes~15.5ng/mL
heavyiron (250 lbs) 3/12 10iu Z Blue Tops rhGH at 3 hours 20 minutes~17.9ng/mL
heavyiron (250 lbs) 4/12-10 iu US pharmacy Tev-Tropin rhGH IM at 2 hours 41 minutes~19.7 ng/mL
Previous to the blue tops I only ran GH from a US compounding pharmacy. That was several years ago. So after about a 2 year break I started up the Blue tops in November and ran maybe 2 1/2 months. I then got fake kits so I was off GH for maybe a month. Now its been 2 1/2 months back on. During this time every test has come back lower than normal including my last labs that were US Tev-Tropin. However. My last labs were the highest I ever measured so my response was greatest with the US pharm grade after the longest duration on GH. Seems like this would shoot down the possibility of me being in the anti-body group?
Here are my results in order of when I did them. The first result was early March then the others followed.
heavyiron (250 lbs) 3/12 10iu Z Blue Top rhGH at 3 hours 11 minutes~15.5ng/mL
heavyiron (250 lbs) 3/12 10iu Z Blue Tops rhGH at 3 hours 20 minutes~17.9ng/mL
heavyiron (250 lbs) 4/12-10 iu US pharmacy Tev-Tropin rhGH IM at 2 hours 41 minutes~19.7 ng/mL
crazyfmike
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Seems Vannesb has to make everything about him. Very small man syndrome.
Zeek
Community Veteran
Where is this 34.3 test posted at? plz hit me with a PM since I am gathering every test done in the last 6 months.
To answer your question heavy, I think even usa pharm grade a certain % of ppl do indeed develop anntibodies. I would check the manufacturer website, that percentage is usually listed there.
dy595959
Getting Ripped!!
Thanks Mike for the Tests! Regardless of how many iu's it shows what increases from baseline for each different brand.
I have ordered Z's and will test soon. My bro in law has Rips and will test in a month and I will post.
Thanks again Man
I have ordered Z's and will test soon. My bro in law has Rips and will test in a month and I will post.
Thanks again Man
juced_porkchop
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Great feedback! thanx.
I am looking at Kigtropin possibly, I would LOVE to see you're feedback!
Mike Arnold
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It's always good to see guys pubically posting their results, especially with stuff like GH. This site does a great service to the BB'ing community by allowing us to openly talk about this stuff.
Thanks, Mike.
Thanks, Mike.
heavyiron
Community Veteran
Int J Immunopathol Pharmacol. 2004 Jan-Apr;17(1):33-8.
Growth hormone antibodies formation in patients treated with recombinant human growth hormone.
Ahangari G, Ostadali MR, Rabani A, Rashidian J, Sanati MH, Zarindast MR.
Source
Department of Molecular Medicine and Immunology, National Research Center for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology, Tehran, Iran. ghah@nrcgeb.ac.ir
Abstract
Human growth hormone (hGH) is normally produced by acidophilic cells of the anterior lobe of the pituitary gland. Recombinant DNA technology has made it possible to produce rhGH. There have been reports of immunological reactions in patients treated with rhGH. For this reason, it is necessary to check sera of patients for presence of antibody against rhGH. Forty-seven children were treated for up to 6 months with recombinant human growth hormone (rhGH-Novo), 0.1 IU/Kg body weight, subcutaneously, three times weekly. The magnitude of growth response was similar to those expected from clinical experience with pituitary growth hormone. We examined sera for specific antibodies against rhGH by ELISA methods. Four patients developed serum antibodies against growth hormone. The analysis of these four sera by Dot blotting method also showed presence of antibodies against rhGH. In the sera of treated patients, pre-incubated with different concentration of rhGH, specific antibodies were detected by neutralizing assay. This finding was confirmed by ELISA technique. In conclusion, the main concern with anti-GH antibodies could be their ability to neutralize circulating growth hormone and inhibition its growth promoting effect.
PMID:
15000864
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Zeek
Community Veteran
avoid kigs like the plague right now, tests all over including the recent batches are proving it to be complete shit! Just saw a new test this morning 2.8 on 10iu injected! and these the new kigs.
very interesting, 4 out of 47 developed the atibodies and it affects both their natty gh and the rhgh.
Could this be what is happening to some of our testers across the boards?
heavyiron
Community Veteran
I imagine this is playing a role. I will have to research further though.
Hard2gain how dare you doubt me lol. Jk. You and ZEEK make very good points. Actually now that I think about it my buddy has been going crazy trying to figure this out because of constant low igf and gh serum and he spent a lot of cash to run 10 iu a day of US pharma grade for a month and still tested low so I'm guessing maybe he's a low responder as well.
Either way good work but I'm still going to try and convince myself that I know everything lol.
Either way good work but I'm still going to try and convince myself that I know everything lol.
Zeek
Community Veteran
LOL you are still right 99.9% of the time so still a good average brother!
crazyfmike
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Did your buddy get gains from that heavy GH cycle?
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