Gyno..any help is appreciated (letro)

lee1092

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I ran a ph a few months ago and after running the pct I experienced sore nipples, hard knots etc. I am about to run a cycle of test-e at 500mg a week and will be running letro with it. Will this help reduce the size of the knots even while I am on the cycle?? I have tried novladex but no signs of improvement. The lumps seem to have 'spread out' in a horizontal shape on one side and on the other the knot is about the size of my whole nipple from top to bottom. Any help would be appreciated!
 
Hey man dont worry u still can have them go away. I had the same problems as you are having. What I did was I ran Tamox at 40/40/20/20 and ran letro e3d at .5 and increased it to 1mg for a week n half and then started to taper off slowly with it. I hope this will help and get rid of your gyno :).
 
Did yours completely go away? Mine just seem to keep getting bigger and bigger. I can notice it through my shirt as well as when I take my shirt off. My nipples are puffy and slightly slanted. When I start the letro before running the test, should that knock it out?
 
yea mines gone. But run letro with tamox, See letro is a suicide bomber for E!! and bascially does a great job in removing 96-98% of estrogen.. some high % there lol. Tamox on the other hand works in removing that ball lump of yours that you have. (this might sound dumb, but this is just top of my head when i was reading about tamox few years back). So use tamox and letro, if you decide to be impatient and do your cycle, then run letro eod and tamox until your size decreases. Also make sure u dont eat like shit
 
Dumb question was the tamox at 40/40/20/20, was that per week? And how long did it take yours to go away?
 
lee1092 said:
Dumb question was the tamox at 40/40/20/20, was that per week? And how long did it take yours to go away?
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40mg pre day for a week, 40mg per day for a week, then 20 mg per day for a week, 20mg per day for a week. It went away during week 4. Just make sure your touching it to see if its getting smaller, dont go past 1mg of letro. Btw how big is it?
 
Hey man , this is a great thread that i saved that someone wrote up if ever i needed it , it a great gyno protocol ... kind of long but very valuable .........
Running letro to reverse gyno:
I am going to go over the three different scenarios which people could fit into. Remember regardless of what scenario you are in it is important that you begin taking the letro ASAP.
SCENARIOS :
1. Already using an anti-e aside from letro.
2. Already using letro @ a dose of .25mg or .50mg ED.
3. Not running any estrogen protection.

1.
Day 1: .25mg Letro + anti-e*
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro **

2.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

3.
Day 1: .50mg Letro
Day 2: 1.0mg Letro
Day 3: 1.5mg Letro
Day 4: 2.0mg Letro
Day 5: 2.5mg Letro **

*Regardless of the anti-e you are using it is important to still use it for the first day you begin letro as the letro will not have taken any effect and you by no means want your body to be without any protection when gyno is already prevalent.

** You will remain at this dose until gyno symptoms subside. Once you believe your gyno is gone it is important to stay at this dose for another 4-7 days to ensure all traces are gone. I recommend people with a bf% over 15 stay on for a week as it may be harder to judge completely whether the lump is completely gone. Once this period is over it will be important to taper letro down slowly rather than coming off it completely. Regardless of which manner you tapered up your dose you will all taper down in the same fashion.

Day 1: 2.0mg
Day 2: 1.5mg
Day 3: 1.0mg
Day 4: .50mg***
Day 5: .25mg
***You can remain at this dose or go down further to .25mg. It is really up to you at this point. They are both very common maintenance doses as an anti-e while on cycle. Personally I have stayed with .25mg and never had a problem.

Letro and the estrogen rebound:
With your estrogen being completely inhibited there is a definite estrogen rebound as your body tries to re-stabilize the testosterone/estrogen balance. We can prevent this rebound effect by supplementing further with another Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or SERM. So, I suggest that when you are coming to the end of your cycle you will more than likely be using Nolva in your post cycle therapy (pct) so just make sure that you begin taking nolva the last day you are going to take your letro and then continue on as you would with regular post cycle therapy (pct).

This now leads us into the question of reversing gyno while not on cycle. There are a few things to remember here. You have already waited longer than you should have, and your sex drive will be shot. You can use tribulus or another natural test booster to help you in this scenario but I can***8217;t guarantee the effectiveness. Just follow gyno reversal protocols 2 or 3. When coming off again you must taper and begin using nolvadex to prevent any rebound effect that may occur.

How much nolvadex should you use if you are not going into post cycle therapy (pct) and running this off cycle? I suggest starting at 20mg ED for a week and then lowering it to 10mg for another week and then coming off completely.

I hope this covers most of the issues
By C Bino
 
This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno***8230;let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.

It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.
 
fancyhuh101 said:
This brings me to my next point. Do not listen to anyone who tells you to bump up your nolvadex to 60+mg ED if you get gyno. I have no idea where this idea started but I have seen it suggest far too many times recently. Nolvadex will do nothing to reverse your gyno***8230;let me make that clear IT WILL DO NOTHING FOR GYNO. If you are running nolva as your anti-e and start to develop gyno than sure you can bump the dosage a small amount to try to prevent it from progressing further, but letrozole must begin ASAP.

It is very important that you begin taking letrozole immediately, the longer your wait the more risk you take in not being able to reverse it.
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tamox and other SERMs WILL stop and shrink gyno, what they WONT do is fix the underlying issue which is high estrogen levels, thats what an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is for and the OP should be on an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle for gyno control with the SERM in hand.
but OFF cycle gyno can be helped with both a SERM or an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). more so a SERM since if your off anabolics you probably don't have high estrogen anymore, but a developed gland.
In alot of cases an aI or SERM wont help developed gyno or old gyno and a doc cutting it out would be the option
 
juced_porkchop said:
tamox and other SERMs WILL stop and shrink gyno, what they WONT do is fix the underlying issue which is high estrogen levels, thats what an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is for and the OP should be on an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle for gyno control with the SERM in hand.
but OFF cycle gyno can be helped with both a SERM or an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). more so a SERM since if your off anabolics you probably don't have high estrogen anymore, but a developed gland.
In alot of cases an aI or SERM wont help developed gyno or old gyno and a doc cutting it out would be the option
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I agree. I like Raoxifene. Ralox and exemestane on cycle. Off cycle just ralox. Ralox at 60-80mgs/day. Stane dosed to manage estrogen.
 
I also agree that an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to control your e2 levels and a serm to treat the gyno is the best course of action.
 
about marble sized...if it makes since, its big as the top of my nipple to the bottom...and on my left side it seems to have formed horizontally?
 
Ok thanks guys for the responses! I have began my first cycle of test e yet, I am going to get my letro etc this weekend and start that and test should come in soon after.
 
Another point to add its been a few months now since my ph, so hopefully its not to late to reverse it! Nipples are still very sore and tender if that tells anything.
 
if your nips are still sore your estrogen levels are probably high still. as for the letro it does a great job of killing all estrogen but also gave me some serious joint pain even at low doses bc of how much it lowers estrogen. i did a protocol similar to fanchuh101 and it shrunk mine about 75%
 
juced_porkchop said:
tamox and other SERMs WILL stop and shrink gyno, what they WONT do is fix the underlying issue which is high estrogen levels, thats what an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is for and the OP should be on an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on cycle for gyno control with the SERM in hand.
but OFF cycle gyno can be helped with both a SERM or an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). more so a SERM since if your off anabolics you probably don't have high estrogen anymore, but a developed gland.
In alot of cases an aI or SERM wont help developed gyno or old gyno and a doc cutting it out would be the option
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What's your opinion on running arimidex + nolva? Some say it's counterproductive.
 
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