GYNO.....Tren, dbol and test. What to do?????

angry_swoles

angry_swoles

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Day 15 on 50mg dbol, 75mg ed tren ace, and just dropped my test dose down to 350mg a week cyp. Yesterday noticed a lump starting. I have been on .5mg adex EOD. Libido also dropped a little since starting Dbol. Also on 1000iu HCG a week.

I am thinking that my estrogen is too high (obviously) and is also affecting libido. I have dropped Dbol and going with 1mg adex a day. I dont have any nolva but I do have clomid. What do yall think about throwing in 50mg a clomid a day as well? The tren has fully kicked in, I don't need dbol anymore.
 
It was most likely the dbol jacking your e2 lvls up. When I run 50mg dbol, I run adex @ .5 ed. I would only run adex at 1mg a day for a couple days then drop to .5 a day and get blood work ASAP.

Do you have a progesterone blocker like caber or prami?
 
I agree with viciouscycle dbol is an estro bomb and is jacking up your E2 but 1mg of good adex is a massive amount and will easily crash your levels. I am running .5mgs 3 x week on 1500mgs test and its enough so be very careful.
 
angry_swoles said:
Day 15 on 50mg dbol, 75mg ed tren ace, and just dropped my test dose down to 350mg a week cyp. Yesterday noticed a lump starting. I have been on .5mg adex EOD. Libido also dropped a little since starting Dbol. Also on 1000iu HCG a week.

I am thinking that my estrogen is too high (obviously) and is also affecting libido. I have dropped Dbol and going with 1mg adex a day. I dont have any nolva but I do have clomid. What do yall think about throwing in 50 mg a clomid a day as well? The trend has fully kicked in, I don't need dbol anymore.
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I would use hcg at 500mg ew. As far as the gyno you that may be developing I recommend that you keep the adex at 1 mg ed until you get things sorted out. As already mentioned it could have been from running the dbol and test.

I feeling the lump may be caused by the tren. Fort that use dostinex.That is what is likely behind the drop in libido. Tren is a 19 nor and the problems may be from progesterone and prolactin.

I would use the clomid for pct and add nolvadex too.

You want to get the gyno under control first.
 
Viciouscycle w said:
It was most likely the dbol jacking your e2 lvls up. When I run 50mg dbol, I run adex @ .5 ed. I would only run adex at 1mg a day for a couple days then drop to .5 a day and get blood work ASAP.

Do you have a progesterone blocker like caber or prami?
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Thanks for the reply brother. I have been on adex .5mg EOD since day 1. I have been on .5mg Prami ED at night. This is my 3rd day I have been off Dbol I have been on 1mg adex ED and still .5mg prami ED. Do you think that the gyno will go down with these doses? Or just prevent further aggregation? I am getting blood work done tomorrow I should have results within a few days. In the mean time, on hand, I have clomid, adex, and prami. By the time I get nolva or caber, 2 weeks will have gone by. I didn't think my E2 would be so jacked up on dbol with a low dose of test and .5 adex EOD but guess I was wrong.

1mg Adex, .5mg prami (should I raise dose?). No Dbol. I do know that I respond well to Aromasin...and could use some in PCT as well. You guys think I should get a hold of some Aromasin and nolva? I have read mixed reviews about nolva and tren though....
 
I agree with Tbone. If you don't already have nolva on hand for pct ESPECIALLY with a tren cycle. Bro, all of these things you should know LONG BEFORE you even consider tren. This is kind of absurd. I do not mean to be rude, but come on bro! You get one body. One life. Why are you fucking it up? Why are so many people taking tren when they most certainly, and painfully obviously not ready for it? Oh yeah...summer time.

Bro, drop the tren. Please? I'm literally begging you because you aren't ready for it.

Like Kazmir stated, only run the adex at 1 mg a day for a few days then drop it to.5 ed for a few more, then go back to.5 eod. You have to get some nova or ralox now. Right now. After you read this go click on the lion at the top of the page and order one. If you get nolva then run it at 40a day for two weeks then 20 a day until the gyno clears, but if you get ralox then run it at 60a day until it clears. You need one of those for pct to add to your clomid. Come on bro. Cone the fuck on...
 
tbonexl said:
I think u shouldn't even be running a cycle like this if your grasping at straws the way u are. Clomid on cycle won't do shit for gyno. U should know this. Adex and Aromasin don't belong in your pct. Another thing u should already know. I would drop the tren and just stick with test till u get that all figured out.

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/664646-cycling-beginners-guide-safe-androgen-use.html
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Do you guys read half of what I post or whats going on here? Never said I'd put adex in my PCT. Aromasin has been proven to raise test levels I will use it for 10 days at beginning of PCT along side clomid and now I will throw Nolva in as well. Dropping hcg to 250iu 2x week as well.

You telling me that .5mg prami ED, and .5mg Adex EOD is not correct on cycle protocol when running Tren and Test? Yes, made the mistake of not having Nolva on hand. Quick click away. Other than that, what's up with your passive aggressive jargon? What makes you believe that I'm not ready for Tren? The gyno is undoubtedly from the dbol. I'll load my blood test onto here once I get results back next week and we will all see what the culprit is.

In the mean time I'll get my hands on some nolva. Don't understand why you all want me to drop my cycle when I have everything I need accept for nolva? Legit question. Would appreciate a legit answer. Thanks.
 
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Here is a link to my Log for more information: steroidology.com/forum/my-steroid-cycle-forum/668865-4th-cycle-prop-cyp-tren-ace-dbol.html
 
There is tons of info mixed reviews about Nolva and Tren. Nolva increasing progesterone etc.. You have a link to a document that proves all these people wrong? Not saying you are wrong, but you have any solid proof?
 
Fuck Nolva in every way shape or form.

You want to stimulate the HPTA? Clomid or Toremifene.

You want to kill gyno? Raloxifene.

Simple as that.
 
If AI's aren't working resort to caber or promi. I wouldn't back of the test but bump the AI up and see if you get better OR get sides of low E which means it probably prolactin or progesterone issues caused by tren, but good tren ace shouldn't really fuck with you unless you throw in deca, unless your very sensitive to the above. best of luck Also the HCG will cause an increased demand for AI's. Some people I know that dont have any gyno issues tried throwing in HCG during cycle and get those sides. So bump AI or get caber or promi. In that order.
 
bottom line is some people can handle tren and some can't. Its all about you (some can drink 10 shots and be fine and some are on there knees at toilet with 6). You should have been adding one compound per cycle after your first test based cycle so you can pin point sides from different drugs, solving problems with one variable is a lot easier than those with both.
 
bottom line is the key is to add in one different compound per cycle to see how you react. Have you done a test and dbol only cycle? If not throwing in tren and dbol just makes solving the issue that much harder. Solving equations with one variable is lot easier than solving one with two. Also some people just cant handle tren, it fucks with them to be blunt. As for me I haven't even experienced night sweats yet just extreme aggro and motivation and the need for ejaculation( week 3 and ace). But I only added in tren for my second cycle. Test sides were very easy to manage and tren sides arent really too much of anything yet.
 
STAUNCHED427 said:
Fuck Nolva in every way shape or form.

You want to stimulate the HPTA? Clomid or Toremifene.

You want to kill gyno? Raloxifene.

Simple as that.
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Don't know much about Raloxifene. I will do research. In the mean time, if you were me in my situation, what would you do? How would you dose?
 
davesah1 said:
If AI's aren't working resort to caber or promi. I wouldn't back of the test but bump the AI up and see if you get better OR get sides of low E which means it probably prolactin or progesterone issues caused by tren, but good tren ace shouldn't really fuck with you unless you throw in deca, unless your very sensitive to the above. best of luck Also the HCG will cause an increased demand for AI's. Some people I know that dont have any gyno issues tried throwing in HCG during cycle and get those sides. So bump AI or get caber or promi. In that order.
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Perhaps I'll just back off the HCG fully until about week 6 or 7. I'm only at the beginning of week 3 anyways. When you say "promi" I am usually you mean prami correct? Already bumped the Adex up to 1mg a day, gonna bump prami to 1mg now, and as far as nolva vs ralox goes.... you have an opinion? Thanks.
 
angry_swoles said:
Perhaps I'll just back off the HCG fully until about week 6 or 7. I'm only at the beginning of week 3 anyways. When you say "promi" I am usually you mean prami correct? Already bumped the Adex up to 1mg a day, gonna bump prami to 1mg now, and as far as nolva vs ralox goes.... you have an opinion? Thanks.
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Get a blood test before you start throwing dosages around. These drugs don't provide effects immediately. It takes a couple of days for full effect. Its very difficult to determine whats going on just be "feeling it". Actual serum levels are a must.
 
bushleaguechew said:
Get a blood test before you start throwing dosages around. These drugs don't provide effects immediately. It takes a couple of days for full effect. Its very difficult to determine whats going on just be "feeling it". Actual serum levels are a must.
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Definitely agree. Would like to place a proper order in without wasting time or money....I'll need some of this stuff in the future anyways.
 
angry_swoles said:
Definitely agree. Would like to place a proper order in without wasting time or money....I'll need some of this stuff in the future anyways.
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Its hard to determine where the source of the gyno is coming from, be it estrogen or prolactin, without blood tests. Running rampant with arimidex and pramipexole isn't a good idea. The adverse reactions they can cause can be pretty nasty.


Try lowering the hcg to 500iu per week to lower your estrogen. 500iu is still plenty to keep your testes stimulated. If estrogen is to blame for your gyno, then this will solve your problem without having to mess around with your AI dose. Cut out the dbol if you haven't already.
 
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