GYNO.....Tren, dbol and test. What to do?????

bushleaguechew said:
Its hard to determine where the source of the gyno is coming from, be it estrogen or prolactin, without blood tests. Running rampant with arimidex and pramipexole isn't a good idea. The adverse reactions they can cause can be pretty nasty.


Try lowering the hcg to 500iu per week to lower your estrogen. 500iu is still plenty to keep your testes stimulated. If estrogen is to blame for your gyno, then this will solve your problem without having to mess around with your AI dose. Cut out the dbol if you haven't already.
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Already done and done. We will see how this week goes....It is my understanding that prolactin can't occur without estrogen present?
 
angry_swoles said:
Already done and done. We will see how this week goes....It is my understanding that prolactin can't occur without estrogen present?
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I believe the idea is that high estrogen makes it easier for prolactin to rise, but the two levels are not always directly proportional.
 
bushleaguechew said:
I believe the idea is that high estrogen makes it easier for prolactin to rise, but the two levels are not always directly proportional.
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So went to my doc today....wow was he pissed off. Told him I'd been self administering test prop 50mg a day and almost had a heart attack. He had no clue what Arimidex was...even suggested that adex may be what is causing gyno. Also had never heard of a male taking HCG and no clue about LH....worthless. Well anyways, I convinced him to order labs testosterone panel and full estrogen panel, but wouldn't do prolactin progesterone.... Figured telling him I was on dbol and tren would just make things worse at this point since he didn't even know what anything else was.... went to a 3rd party lab and had prolactin progesterone tests done. Should get labs in 4 days. Either saturday or monday...
 
bushleaguechew said:
Get a blood test before you start throwing dosages around. These drugs don't provide effects immediately. It takes a couple of days for full effect. Its very difficult to determine whats going on just be "feeling it". Actual serum levels are a must.
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Best advice I have read so far.
 
angry_swoles said:
So went to my doc today....wow was he pissed off. Told him I'd been self administering test prop 50mg a day and almost had a heart attack. He had no clue what Arimidex was...even suggested that adex may be what is causing gyno. Also had never heard of a male taking HCG and no clue about LH....worthless. Well anyways, I convinced him to order labs testosterone panel and full estrogen panel, but wouldn't do prolactin progesterone.... Figured telling him I was on dbol and tren would just make things worse at this point since he didn't even know what anything else was.... went to a 3rd party lab and had prolactin progesterone tests done. Should get labs in 4 days. Either saturday or monday...
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Why didn't you get all of it done at the 3rd party lab and saved yourself the headache of your doctor visit. Not to mention its on your record now.....
 
angry_swoles said:
So went to my doc today....wow was he pissed off. Told him I'd been self administering test prop 50mg a day and almost had a heart attack. He had no clue what Arimidex was...even suggested that adex may be what is causing gyno. Also had never heard of a male taking HCG and no clue about LH....worthless. Well anyways, I convinced him to order labs testosterone panel and full estrogen panel, but wouldn't do prolactin progesterone.... Figured telling him I was on dbol and tren would just make things worse at this point since he didn't even know what anything else was.... went to a 3rd party lab and had prolactin progesterone tests done. Should get labs in 4 days. Either saturday or monday...
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This angers me on many levels.
 
bushleaguechew said:
Why didn't you get all of it done at the 3rd party lab and saved yourself the headache of your doctor visit. Not to mention its on your record now.....
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Didn't go to a 3rd party lab because my health insurance covers all of it. Had to pay out of pocket for the Progesterone prolactin tests.
 
Pacific Rim said:
Interested in reviewing the results of your bloodwork.
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As am I! You figure that .5mg EOD Adex and .5 prami would prevent this shit from happening. My Tren is 1.5x higher than my test...almost certain that it is the hCG and dbol. Both have been dropped so interested to see if this continues to get worse. If it does, then for sure it has to be the tren, but by that time, labs will tell.
 
STAUNCHED427 said:
Lol not you dude, the fucking idiot, ignorant, dumbass doctor and what he said.
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He said "how much testosterone are you on" I say about 350mg a week. Flips out, then when he starts audio recording for his own records he says "patient is administering 350mg a day of testosterone" I'm like woooooah no doc. Get it right.

His only advice was to stop completely and take nothing. So, I have raloxifene, aromasin, cialis, mt2, and some other goodies on the way for my lab rats. It was kinda funny listening to him explain his version of the negative feedback loop in laymen's terms.
 
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