gyno?

[GymLift]

That is not my experience and I belive it's a "truth" that has grown in the intenet forums without any real substance at all. It has gone so far that guys claming other possible reasons than raised prolactin get attacked for no reason as I see it.

I'm certainly not going to argue that there is a lot of inaccurate myth in the Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) world.

I know a number of cases where Dostinex and Bromo did not do shit in the gyno department for guys using Deca and/or trenbolone.

Where they also using a steroid that aromatizes, such as testosterone?

I have hade some problems with gyno in Deca cycles and testosteron, Nolvadex did the job just fine.

I don't disagree that the elevated estrogen, primarily from the testosterone you were using, makes the gyno worse. In fact, estrogen may have been the primary problem in your case. Were you lactating?

To bee really honest, a number of factors can contribute to gyno but estrogen must be present and should be the first action taken with a SERM.

I agree that estrogen must be present and I also agree that it makes sense to try a SERM (in particular, Nolvadex) when symptoms of gyno appear. It helps sometimes, so why not? But I have definitely seen Nolvadex not work for guys that lactate, so I also recommend that those guys jump on vitamin B6 immediately. With that said, many guys don't use a SERM but they do use vitamin B6 and their symptoms (e.g. lactating) disappear.

Seriously, how many have had lactating problems when doing Deca or trenbolone cycles ONLY?

To be honest, we don't see all that many guys using deca or tren without testosterone here because we ream anyone that admits to using deca or tren without testosterone. But I've seen the lactating from guys using M1T. And I've seen guys getting gyno and lactation have no relief from Nolvadex.

Letro, at a dosage that really brings down the estradiol to below normal ranges often helps. So I agree that prolactin gyno is only a problem in the presence of estrogen, even if estrogen is at normal levels. You posted something earlier in this thread:

"Progesterone enhances estrogen's stimulation of mammary gland growth, and our findings suggest that progesterone may play a role in the gynecomastia that occurs in men with hyperthyroidism."

And perhaps this explains the situation, although I must admit that I consider the above conclusion to be somewhat speculative.

Regardless, I am still confident that prolactin is elevated in this case of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users that lactate.

But I do beleive that the prolactin is a contributing factor.

/Bruce

Good. I thought you were disagreeing that prolactin was a contributing factor when you made your first post to this thread.

I have no problem with attacking any gyno with a SERM and then letrozole. But in the case of lactation, I think it is prudent to also attack the prolactin side of the equation, especially with vitamin B6, which has few side effects, especially when taken at only 200mg qd.

I think that we agree over the bulk of this argument, but that I put more weight on prolactin being a contributing factor than you do.

 

[ManOfMuscle]

Mranak you really know your stuff.