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should i be concerned about hair loss? i just started my protocol recently (4th test shot today) I'm on 200 mg e5d on the conservative protocol. Is there a possibility I'll start losing my hair? I keep my hair cut really short I get a clipper #1 cut all over and even though I keep it this short I don't want to have to start shaving my head completely if I start losing my hair. So, should I get on propecia now? or should I just watch my head and if I notice hair loss to get on it then? should I just go to my GP for the propecia?

i've just started taking dhea (sublingual) supplements daily, I read it in another thread here that everybody on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) should be on it and I read somewhere that it can help prevent hair loss on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), is this correct?

thanks
 
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username1 said:
should i be concerned about hair loss? i just started my protocol recently (4th test shot today) I'm on 200 mg e5d on the conservative protocol. Is there a possibility I'll start losing my hair? I keep my hair cut really short I get a clipper #1 cut all over and even though I keep it this short I don't want to have to start shaving my head completely if I start losing my hair. So, should I get on propecia now? or should I just watch my head and if I notice hair loss to get on it then? should I just go to my GP for the propecia?

i've just started taking dhea (sublingual) supplements daily, I read it in another thread here that everybody on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) should be on it and I read somewhere that it can help prevent hair loss on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), is this correct?

thanks
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Is Male Pattern Baldness a dominate genetic trait in either branch of your family's tree?

If it is, Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) with Test could significantly accelerate hair loss. I would consider the merit of the effective available options that are supported by clinical evidence.

If no one in your immediate family demonstrates an inclination for hair loss, I take a wait-and-see approach. However, be vigilant in monitoring the situation.

DHEA dosen't prevent hair loss when you are injecting exogenous test into your system. I've post a reason as to why that is an incorrect assumption a couple of time before. I'll see if I can find it and link it for you.

Here is one link on the discussion:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/t...611765-cashout-propecia-help.html#post2920548
 
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My dad isn't bald yet, maybe receding hair line and on my mom's side I can't recall any of my older uncles being bald from hair loss, only person I can remember is my grand father being bald, on my dad's side I can't recall anybody being bald except for maybe one person and they have a large family, 8 people.

so, I guess I'll just wait and see what happens. i've never looked for baldness before so i'm guessing i'll just check to see if i see hair thinning and if i can start to see my scalp easily.
 
username1 said:
My dad isn't bald yet, maybe receding hair line and on my mom's side I can't recall any of my older uncles being bald from hair loss, only person I can remember is my grand father being bald, on my dad's side I can't recall anybody being bald except for maybe one person and they have a large family, 8 people.

so, I guess I'll just wait and see what happens. i've never looked for baldness before so i'm guessing i'll just check to see if i see hair thinning and if i can start to see my scalp easily.
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Sounds like the appropriate thing to do based on your description.

If your hair is important to you, like mine is to me, and you want to keep it, make sure if you begin to see changes in density and coverage, you act quickly.

Don't go into 'denial' and chalk it up to your need of a hair cut or bad shampoo or something else. Most guys totally go the 'denial' route when they start to loose their hair. They don't want to accept it and deal with it. If you act quickly once you start to notice you are thinning, most of the time you can prevent it and even reverse the trend.

Of course, most guys let it go way to far before they accept the fact that it is happening to them and by then it is often to late.

I'm almost 42 and beside my physique the thing that I get complimented for the most is my long blond hair - I'm sportin' a full on Axl Rose circa 1989 and women tell me all the time that they wish they had a head of hair like mine!
 
haha thanks for the info. well i looked at my scalp with a hand-mirror and it seems as it is i can see my scalp through my hair i guess my hair must be thin naturally or maybe it's since it's so short, I'm sure it was already like this I don't think it could have happened that fast from test i don't see any spots that are standing out or looking abnormal there's still full coverage of hair, maybe my hairline is starting to recede (my forehead looked bigger in the hand mirror looking at it from that angle lol) but, that seems about it, I'm ok with how it looks now. i'll just keep checking it daily if I notice I'm losing coverage I'll take action, I think that's the only thing I'll be able to notice not sure about density since it's so short as it is.
 
i just took a buncha pics of my head / hair lol just incase so i can compare if i think i'm losing hair but, can't tell if the process is slow
 
cashout said:
If it is, Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) with Test could significantly accelerate hair loss. I would consider the merit of the effective available options that are supported by clinical evidence.
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I have MPB so I'm interested in this discussion. Cash, in your research of this subject, have you found that there is a common doseage of test that usually leads to increased hair loss. I've read different things and although this "amount of test" is more than likely totally individual, I'm wondering if you've seen in your reading a common amount that is usually taken before MPB is accelerated.
I've read that 100mg e5d is not enough to start MPB but I'm sure if someone like myself had MPB before Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) it would of course accelerate the process. Just looking for more of your thoughts. I should probably read your other link first though.. :)
 
BD7 said:
I have MPB so I'm interested in this discussion. Cash, in your research of this subject, have you found that there is a common doseage of test that usually leads to increased hair loss. I've read different things and although this "amount of test" is more than likely totally individual, I'm wondering if you've seen in your reading a common amount that is usually taken before MPB is accelerated.
I've read that 100mg e5d is not enough to start MPB but I'm sure if someone like myself had MPB before Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) it would of course accelerate the process. Just looking for more of your thoughts. I should probably read your other link first though.. :)
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Short answer - no.
There is no stated amount of test at which we can definitively say "this is where the problems start..."

In fact, the amount of test is really only half the equation. The other variable is one's own production of the 5-alpha reductase enzyme. As each person is different in their respective production of this enzyme, it makes it that much harder to predict.

So, person "A" could use only 200 mg of test a week and have a high bioavailablity of the 5-alpha reductase enzyme in the bodyand create enough DHT to significantly impact the hair folicles.

Person "B" on the other hand could use 1000 mg of test a week and have very little bioavailablilty of the 5-alpha reductase enzyme and really have no problems at all.
 
I still have a full set of hair, but I know I'm doomed! My dad says he started loosing his around 32, and my two older brothers lost theirs around that age too. My eldest brother was my last hope. Sadly he started to lose his around 36/37(current age)

My dad told me to enjoy my hair while it lasts.. My uncle started losing his and he got some type of injection in his head..I think I will ask him what it was.
 
cashout said:
Short answer - no.
There is no stated amount of test at which we can definitively say "this is where the problems start..."

In fact, the amount of test is really only half the equation. The other variable is one's own production of the 5-alpha reductase enzyme. As each person is different in their respective production of this enzyme, it makes it that much harder to predict.

So, person "A" could use only 200 mg of test a week and have a high bioavailablity of the 5-alpha reductase enzyme in the bodyand create enough DHT to significantly impact the hair folicles.

Person "B" on the other hand could use 1000 mg of test a week and have very little bioavailablilty of the 5-alpha reductase enzyme and really have no problems at all.
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Ok, great post. Thanks for your time!
 
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Just picked up my script for proscar, going to cut the 5mg tablet into fours.
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ah ok and i'm assuming after you cut them you'll take one each day. I saw it on the maximus price list but, I thought you had to take one a day, I was thinking that this might be out of my budget at that price lol now i see that propecia is 1mg but the proscar is 5mg, that's good to know.
 
username1 said:
ah ok and i'm assuming after you cut them you'll take one each day. I saw it on the maximus price list but, I thought you had to take one a day, I was thinking that this might be out of my budget at that price lol now i see that propecia is 1mg but the proscar is 5mg, that's good to know.
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The reason you get the 5mg pills from a local gp script and cut them in 1/4s is that ins. pays for the 5mg pills since they are technically for BPH (health issue) whereas the 1mg pills are for hair loss (cosmetic issue) and are not covered by most ins. plans.
 
username1 said:
should i be concerned about hair loss? i just started my protocol recently (4th test shot today) I'm on 200 mg e5d on the conservative protocol. Is there a possibility I'll start losing my hair? I keep my hair cut really short I get a clipper #1 cut all over and even though I keep it this short I don't want to have to start shaving my head completely if I start losing my hair. So, should I get on propecia now? or should I just watch my head and if I notice hair loss to get on it then? should I just go to my GP for the propecia?

i've just started taking dhea (sublingual) supplements daily, I read it in another thread here that everybody on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) should be on it and I read somewhere that it can help prevent hair loss on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), is this correct?

thanks
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If you've got the "balding gene", testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) will accelerate hair loss, no doubt.
DHT is the culprit, but taking a DHT blocker defeats alot of the purpose of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), because it's responsible for alot of the benefits - feelings of well being, libido etc.
Best bet is a prescription DHT blocking shampoo - blocks it on the scalp only and not in your system.
 
would something like this work - Amazon.com: Kirkland Minoxidil 5% Extra Strength Hair Regrowth for Men, 6 Month Supply: Beauty

it has 4 stars from reviews but, there's a chance that it's just in peoples head and they think they are seeing results.

if i could find an otc dht-blocking shampoo would be great, one reason i'd like to avoid propecia/poscar if possible is since i'm already putting so many things in my body if i could avoid and find an alternate solution would be preferred. though i have a feeling that it's not likely these dht-blocking shampoos actually work.

also is this true that taking a DHT blocker defeats the purpose of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? do you have a link to the source that says that? or where did you learn that from?
 
username1 said:
would something like this work - Amazon.com: Kirkland Minoxidil 5% Extra Strength Hair Regrowth for Men, 6 Month Supply: Beauty

it has 4 stars from reviews but, there's a chance that it's just in peoples head and they think they are seeing results.

if i could find an otc dht-blocking shampoo would be great, one reason i'd like to avoid propecia/poscar if possible is since i'm already putting so many things in my body if i could avoid and find an alternate solution would be preferred. though i have a feeling that it's not likely these dht-blocking shampoos actually work.

also is this true that taking a DHT blocker defeats the purpose of TRT? do you have a link to the source that says that? or where did you learn that from?
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No. Finasteride is a selective DHT inhibitor and its affinity is much greater for inhibition of the Type II variant of DHT produced via the 5-alpha reductase enzyme. Type II iso DHT is selective for the scalp and prostate.
Type I iso DHT, with Finasteride does not effectively inhibit, is selective for smooth muscle tissue, cardiac tissue, and certain receptors in the CNS.

So Finasteride doesn't defeate the purpose of HRT.

I would not recommend one use Dutasteride however, it is a non-selective inhibitor and inhibits both iso-enzymes of DHT and that is not necessary to prevent hair loss. That is like using a sledgehammer to drive a thumb tack.
 
cashout, some time ago in another hair loss thread you replied that the Rogaine foam could help significantly, do you think i should just start with this? maybe for now if i'm not noticing hair loss yet to help prevent it? i don't want to end up being too late, plus i'm thinking about the possibility of it happening all the time. i wonder if this could work for me to keep my mind off it. or else i don't know maybe i should just start taking proscar though i'm not sure if i should start with the prescribed meds just yet incase i don't have the baldness gene
 
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