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Why is it when I type my stats into the TDEE calculator, there is 2 different numbers between the two of them? Don't know which one to follow any tips.

Stats 218Ilbs
Weight 6 feet
Age 35
Train 5 days a week

Want to see some abs without losing much muscle. Runny a 600mg pw test e cycle.
Staying around 2500 cal, 230p, 150 carb, 100 f. I take about 200-250g of carbs on training days. Also running the IF diet 16 hour fast 8 hour eating window. Oh ya, cardio 15 min HIIT training 3-4 days a week.
 
Why is it when I type my stats into the TDEE calculator, there is 2 different numbers between the two of them? Don't know which one to follow any tips.

Stats 218Ilbs
Weight 6 feet
Age 35
Train 5 days a week

Want to see some abs without losing much muscle. Runny a 600mg pw test e cycle.
Staying around 2500 cal, 230p, 150 carb, 100 f. I take about 200-250g of carbs on training days. Also running the IF diet 16 hour fast 8 hour eating window. Oh ya, cardio 15 min HIIT training 3-4 days a week.

All TDEE/BMR calculators are GUESSES. Can be pretty damn accurate by guesses nonetheless. If you have an accurate body fat estimate use the Katch-McArdle method, most accurate since it accounts for lbm not just total weight. Having said that use whichever formula you want and stick to the macros and total calories you choose for 2wks. Almost always you'll need slight adjustments in calories (up of down) no matter which formula you use.
 
Thanks doc, with my stats stated above, am I looking like I'm on the right track with my macros?
 
As doc said, latch mccardle since it accounts for lbm. Don't overanalyze, get a semi accurate estimate and monitor your weight and make adjustments. Neither will give you a perfect intake to the calorie, its always up to the individual to shape their own intake based on observations made while learning your own body
 
Thanks doc, with my stats stated above, am I looking like I'm on the right track with my macros?

Well can't use Katch-McArdle since I don't have an accurate BF estimate but using the bmr calculator I normally use it shows your BMR at 2100 calories. You don't mention how active you are outside the gym (physical job or desk job, any sports, when you're not lifting or working do you watch tv or all you always up and about doing something etc). I'll estimate your activity factor at around 1.4-1.5.

TDEE = BMR x activity factor > 2100cals x 1.4-1.5 = 2900-3200cals/day. This is a GUESS until we get more info from you as to activity and being that the calculators are a guess regardless of perfect input. There will almost always be need for calibration depending on progress or lack there of.

Having said that, your deficit is 400-700 calories per day if you consume 2500cals (it depends on which TDEE value you use) which translates to 13-21% deficit. Not bad by any means. The leaner you are the slower you'll have to cut and the more at risk you are of losing lbm. Don't get paranoid about that just realize it to watch for signs you're losing lbm. Even if on gear I'd recommend around 15% deficit. So taking the middle ground in regards to what I think your TDEE is and a 15% deficit I would take in 2500-2600 calories (which is right around where you are).

Your macro split meets protein requirements AND fat requirements AND totals to ~2450 calories. I like it!! Right here shows me yiu have done some research to diet and nutrition in gemeral! I'm a huge fan of IF, if it's run properly. Seems like you know the basics so unless you have specific questions ill leave it at that. Always do your lifting BEFORE cardio so it doesn't hinder intensity in the gym or if you do cardio early in the day, keep few hours separation between the two so you can recover slightly. No need for that much HIIT IMO, the diet is really what's getting you your definition, cardio simply helps create the deficit through increased energy expenditure. HIIT WILL eat into recovery if done as its meant to be done so if you want to keep cardio, do 1-2 sessions HIIT/wk and the rest do low intensity. Remember cardio isn't just in the gym. You can walk the dog at a brisk pace, play with the kids in the yard, playing some pick up bball or sports, etc.

I can offer up a few more tips but would like to hear more specifics from you such as how lean you are, what's your lifting program, schedule, and cardio timing look like, when do you lift and when do you do cardio, do you train and cardio fasted or during the eating window, etc? The more details the better. I'll assume your food selection is good but if you'd like a critique add your diet here or even hit up 3J's free diet advice thread. Best of luck in your goals bro!
 
One final thought: the NUMBER ONE factors to consider on a cut and to preserve lean body mass is total energy intake and macro/micro needs. You're macros look great, your total energy intake is in a deficit but not too low, make sure your micros are being met too.

When you're in a deficit, recovery is affected in the gym. REMEMBER THIS. You don't have an excess of calories anymore to repair and recover from. You must train wisely and use cardio to your advantage not detriment. My usual recommendations without knowing specific goals is to keep intensity and volume high. The more you can stick with this the more lbm is being preserved while cutting. You WILL get to a point where you just can't do it anymore and you'll see loss of strength, no energy/motivation, lack of appetite, and just not feeling on your normal game. At this point you have to decide how to calibrate things: you can recalculate and adjust energy intake, cut cardio if it hinders recovery, and many more little details. If diet is still good and a reasonable deficit is maintained my advice is to lower VOLUME but keep INTENSITY HIGH. Lift at or close to your maxes but do slightly less sets/reps, cut back on some isolation work, and just lower the overall fatigue accumulated in the gym. This fatigue is due in part to reduced calories and will not go away unless you increase calories and sleep or cut back on gym time. Increasing calories during a cut is opposite of what you want to do so your gym time will have to be used much more efficiently and intensity/volume will have to be manipulated accordingly.
 
Wow doc, thanks for all that info will defiantly use. With all the research and pointers from oligy I think I got it down pretty good. Noticing a huge difference only 2 weeks into this cut. I was someone that was always bulking and didn't quite get the concept of dieting till now. I always done the 6 meals a day but not as strict as I am now. I've ran a few cycles but the knowledge I have gained will now get the best out of my cycles.

As far as the IF diet I'm actually stopping it today. The 2 weeks were great, felt awesome had lots of energy but my stomach wasn't liking the fasting. After my first meal or so when breaking the fast, I would cramp up really bad and would throw up my food. I actually went to the hospital early this morning to get checked out. This was going on for to long for my liking, I'm cutting but didn't want to cut by throwing up everyday. Dr. asked if I changed my diet and I told him about IF, 16 hour fast 8 hour eating window. He told me to stop that diet immediately and the fasting was causing a acid reflex which was causing the pain and the vomiting. I am now on medication to settle my stomach back to normal.

I was enjoying the IF diet but obviously I have to stop. Not meant for everybody I guess. Anyways that my story. :beertoast:
 
Wow doc, thanks for all that info will defiantly use. With all the research and pointers from oligy I think I got it down pretty good. Noticing a huge difference only 2 weeks into this cut. I was someone that was always bulking and didn't quite get the concept of dieting till now. I always done the 6 meals a day but not as strict as I am now. I've ran a few cycles but the knowledge I have gained will now get the best out of my cycles.

As far as the IF diet I'm actually stopping it today. The 2 weeks were great, felt awesome had lots of energy but my stomach wasn't liking the fasting. After my first meal or so when breaking the fast, I would cramp up really bad and would throw up my food. I actually went to the hospital early this morning to get checked out. This was going on for to long for my liking, I'm cutting but didn't want to cut by throwing up everyday. Dr. asked if I changed my diet and I told him about IF, 16 hour fast 8 hour eating window. He told me to stop that diet immediately and the fasting was causing a acid reflex which was causing the pain and the vomiting. I am now on medication to settle my stomach back to normal.

I was enjoying the IF diet but obviously I have to stop. Not meant for everybody I guess. Anyways that my story. :beertoast:

Your are very welcome my friend. Glad you're already happy with the progress 2wks in. I'm sorry to hear about your issue with acid reflux. That shit sucks, my cousin gets it so bad he's been hospitalized for it before. But you're right all diets should be chosen on convenience and ability to be consistent with so go with whatever is best for you. If you can't do IF there's nothing wrong with that. Consistency and total daily energy intake (with macros) is what's going to cut the fat, not the name of the diet you choose :)
 
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