Havoc/Epi Stack

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themasonstouch

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Hey guys heres the stats so we get that out of the way since I'm new to this site. Im currently 29, 5'9" 220 lbs and roughly 15% bf. I am used to running the H drol cycles but it seems to have recently disappeared. So After endless post readings and my "gear" guy not being able to get my first real cycle I decided to go with the Havoc/Epi stack. The stack would look roughly as follows:

Havoc would be a 6-7 week cycle ramping to 100-125mg (I have done this with Hdrol)
Epi would be a higher dosage, havent figured the numbers yet
Milk thistle
Taurine
Hawthorne berries
Boatloads of fish oil (Havoc seems dry like Mdrol)
Methyl B12
I3C
Green Tea
Cycle Assist
might throw in some Mass FX

And I think that was about it, I might have some others that I take with it Id have to look at the list again.

Im mainly looking to do a cut cycle as we get closer to summer and I do masonry so the extra lean would do me some good.

As for my post cycle therapy (pct) (since most will ask) I typically just take an OCT post cycle therapy (pct) because I havent found anywhere that I seem to trust ordering from. And its hard for people to give a reference (which is understandable due to trust). So I'm curious of your thoughts on the stack and we'll see how it goes.
 
epistane and havoc are the same thing...

?

and I've NEVER seen anyone run more than 50 or 60mg of epistane. at that point you've hit the point of diminishing returns.


wtf?
 
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welcome to Ology. Just an FYI. Havoc and Epistane are the exact same compound.

I wouldn't go above 50mg per day. Above that and your looking at nasty sides and damage.
 
Heres where I'm a little confused/frustrated. I have read on another forum or two that people HAVE stacked the two but for a cut cycle there saying to stack the epi at a higher doseage for a cut. My last run on hdrol I ramped it up to 125 at the highest with the hdrol and just took one epi a day, it seemed to work well and other than a slight case of gyno months after I saw no other sides. As far as gyno is involved I was looking at the androhard v3. Any thoughts on that?
 
And, unless your spot shotting right now and on some high aggression you dont need to be a inconsiderate @#)( about your thought, the reason I posted on here was to get some advice! I have run H drol in the past and am new with the Havoc but from what I have read it is almost similar to Hdrol. So thats cool if you want to blow your mouth but simple advice is the reason this forum is here isnt it? EDIT: I said I was going to run the epi at a HIGHER dose! I just havent figured out at what yet.
 
okay glad you're serious and not a troll.


epi is not dosed like hdrol. and havoc is epistane - just compare the nomenclature.


are you thinking to run an hdrol/epi cut?
 
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themasonstouch said:
And, unless your spot shotting right now and on some high aggression you dont need to be a inconsiderate @#)( about your thought, the reason I posted on here was to get some advice! I have run H drol in the past and am new with the Havoc but from what I have read it is almost similar to Hdrol. So thats cool if you want to blow your mouth but simple advice is the reason this forum is here isnt it? EDIT: I said I was going to run the epi at a HIGHER dose! I just havent figured out at what yet.
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listen up. your first post made you sound fucking ridiculous. there are trolls that come around these places a lot.

if you have questions, ask them first before you *think* you know it. nothing in your first post came even close to making sense.
 
07Lane, I was going to run another Epi/Hdorl cycle but where I usually buy Hdrol they are sold out and a lot of the other places I looked they were sold out as well. So when I was looking on other forums someone said they ran an epi/havoc cycle and people had seemed to agree with the stack. So as of now I think I screwed myself. I ordered 5 bottles of Havoc and 1 Epi. This would be a lot easier if my "gear" guy would have just come through...........
 
check out mrsupps. there good guys and have hdrol in stock last time i checked.

i guess just hang onto your epistane and run it over the course of a few cycles. it'll take a couple bottles if you run it 30 or 40mg for 6 weeks anyways.

look around at the different sponsors for post cycle therapy (pct) stuff. i wouldn't trust my body to an OTC post cycle therapy (pct). just my .02
 
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I DID ask my question......... LAST sentence, how do you think this stack looks....... Im not trying to be a dick here by any means but just simply see what people thought of the stack. A person can read all day long on different forums and not gain a single amount of knowledge because there are so many people that will just fill you with BS. And for the "older" generations that have been around awhile this is where some come to seek advice, (respectful) advice if possible?
 
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I DID ask my question......... LAST sentence, how do you think this stack looks....... Im not trying to be a dick here by any means but just simply see what people thought of the stack. A person can read all day long on different forums and not gain a single amount of knowledge because there are so many people that will just fill you with BS. And for the "older" generations that have been around awhile this is where some come to seek advice, (respectful) advice if possible?
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i'd say try the epi solo first to see how you like it and respond. then in the future consider stacking the two - though it will be quite a load on the liver.

and sorry for being a dick - i do get riled up when i feel like people don't do their homework. I forget that there are other sites out there that can give misleading/shitty advice sometimes.
 
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No worries, I took a look at mrsup and they must be out of hdrol as well. It seems to have completely disappeared at the moment. Another site said that they stopped producing it for some reason. If its possible can you send a pm or anything for a question? I did have a specific question but wasnt going to ask on here.
 
yeah you have to have 50 posts to PM. But yeah, I love epi/havoc. I find great results at 30-40mg per day and that's what I would suggest.
 
thanks spongy, this is good knowledge to have, like i said with the h drol after a few cycles i knew how my body was responding and bumped up to 125 for the highest i dosed it at which seems to be a norm for a lot of people now?
 
Ok for some reason I cannot open the pm page, i wonder if its because I dont have the 50 posts yet. How can i find a way to ask without being on this page??
 
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Ok for some reason I cannot open the pm page, i wonder if its because I dont have the 50 posts yet. How can i find a way to ask without being on this page??
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im gonna assume its about PCT. in that case look towards RUI. I've "researched" with their stuff and my experiments went VERY well.
 
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