HCG came late, what should I do?
- Thread starter baldie99
- Start date
young buck...only 25...
i know I should have gotten it earlier, but my souce kept coming up short
I know... I trusted my source but I guess I should have made sure.
what protocol and dosage do you think I should implement?
You didn't mention what you cycle actually was.
This is what's listed under the 'steroid profile' section of this site. I would consider it and also do a search for people that have done long cycles like yours.
"The usual protocol is to inject 1500-3000 I.U. every 4th or 5th day, for a duration usually no longer than 2 or 3 weeks. If used for too long or at too high a dose, the drug may actually function to desensitize the Leydig's cells to luteinizing hormone, further hindering a return to homeostasis. Timing the initial dose is also very crucial. If your were coming off a cycle of Sustanon for example, testosterone levels in your blood will likely stay elevated for at least 3 to 4 weeks after your last injection. Taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on the day of your last shot would therefore be useless. Instead one would want to calculate the last week in which androgen levels are likely to be above normal, and begin ancillary drug therapy at this point. In this case Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would be started around the third or fourth week. Likewise, after ending a cycle of Dianabol (an oral) your blood levels will be sub normal after the third day. Here you may want to begin Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy a few days before your last intake of tablets, giving it a few days to take effect. One would also want to give some thought to the level of suppression that the cycle might have brought about. After an 8 week cycle of Equipoise for example, 1500-2500 I.U. would likely be a sufficient initial dosage. The lower amount of hormonal suppression one associates with this drug would probably not require much more. On the other hand, 750-1000mg of Sustanon per week might incline the user to inject a much larger Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) dose, perhaps as much as 5000 I.U. for the opening application. It may thereafter also be a good idea to reduce the dosage on subsequent shots, so as to step down the intake of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the two or three weeks of intake.
As discussed above, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) acts only to mimic the action of LH. It is likewise not the perfect hormone to combat testosterone suppression, and for this reason it is used most often in conjunction with estrogen antagonists such as Clomid, Nolvadex or cyclofenil. These drugs have a different effect on the regulating system, namely inhibiting estrogen-induced suppression at the hypothalamus. This of course also helps to restore the release of testosterone, although through a much different mechanism than Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). A combination of both drugs appears to be very synergistic, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) providing an immediate effect on the testes (shocking them out of inactivity) while the anti-estrogen helps later to block inhibition on the hypothalamus and resume the normal release of gonadotropins from the pituitary. The typical procedure involves giving the Clomid/Nolvadex dose from the start with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), but continuing it alone for a few weeks once Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) has been discontinued. This practice should effectively raise testosterone levels, which will hopefully remain stable once Clomid/Nolvadex have been discontinued. While unfortunately there is no way to retain all of the muscle gains produced by anabolic steroids, using ancillaries to restore a balanced hormonal state is the best way to minimize the loss felt with ending a cycle."
IloveDeadLifts
New member
This is what Visions and a few others at xtraxxl recommend:
HCG & post cycle therapy (pct)
Post Cycle Therapy actually starts from the beginning of the cycle... To ensure recovery during post cycle therapy (pct), Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is used to keep the leydig cells of the testes functioning throughout the cycle so that shutdown doesn't happen... Each shot of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) triggers a peak output in 72hrs... taking shots sooner then 72hrs can run the risk of overstimulation which can impede their output... Clinical studies do take shots every 48hrs but for our use I would prefer to err on the side of caution... anyway for our needs taking the shots e3d or 2 X a week works great... but I must say that e3d is optimal... Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) needs to be started from the beginning of the cycle, contrary to what most guys believe, shutdown starts when they take their first steroid shot and the body quickly notices an androgen and starts to shutdown its production of Test... Waiting longer to start runs the risk that partial shutdown happens and not all the leydig cells will respond...
What I have recommended in the past is either 500iu's e3d or 500iu 2 X a week from the beginning of the cycle until 4 days before post cycle therapy (pct) starts... what I would like to see changed is to take 1500iu's for each of the last 2 shots... this will ensure full functioning for when post cycle therapy (pct) starts... My post cycle therapy (pct) recommendation will stay the same except now I'll recommend that as little as 25mg of Clomid a day is highly effective at stimulating normal test production... Week 1-3 of post cycle therapy (pct) = 25-100mg Clomid ed,,,You choose your dose of Clomid as anything in that range works great. Week 1-6 of post cycle therapy (pct) = 25mg Aromasin ed... I would like to add that its been shown in clinical studies that as little as 25mg ed of Clomid is effective to stimulate normal test production and at this dose no negative sides were noted so if you used clomid in the past and didn't like the negative sides then it may have been dose related... Gustavo77 found this study and this info is sure to help out alot of guys that would normally get negative sides from clomid and at this 25mg dose they can now bipass the negative sides yet be very effective... Here is the link to the study... This study will show test levels 600+ which is good... Other studies that I havn't given a link to yet show test levels 800+ when 100mg is taken... so its your choice to how much Clomid you want to take as both doses are effective...
HCG & post cycle therapy (pct)
Post Cycle Therapy actually starts from the beginning of the cycle... To ensure recovery during post cycle therapy (pct), Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is used to keep the leydig cells of the testes functioning throughout the cycle so that shutdown doesn't happen... Each shot of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) triggers a peak output in 72hrs... taking shots sooner then 72hrs can run the risk of overstimulation which can impede their output... Clinical studies do take shots every 48hrs but for our use I would prefer to err on the side of caution... anyway for our needs taking the shots e3d or 2 X a week works great... but I must say that e3d is optimal... Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) needs to be started from the beginning of the cycle, contrary to what most guys believe, shutdown starts when they take their first steroid shot and the body quickly notices an androgen and starts to shutdown its production of Test... Waiting longer to start runs the risk that partial shutdown happens and not all the leydig cells will respond...
What I have recommended in the past is either 500iu's e3d or 500iu 2 X a week from the beginning of the cycle until 4 days before post cycle therapy (pct) starts... what I would like to see changed is to take 1500iu's for each of the last 2 shots... this will ensure full functioning for when post cycle therapy (pct) starts... My post cycle therapy (pct) recommendation will stay the same except now I'll recommend that as little as 25mg of Clomid a day is highly effective at stimulating normal test production... Week 1-3 of post cycle therapy (pct) = 25-100mg Clomid ed,,,You choose your dose of Clomid as anything in that range works great. Week 1-6 of post cycle therapy (pct) = 25mg Aromasin ed... I would like to add that its been shown in clinical studies that as little as 25mg ed of Clomid is effective to stimulate normal test production and at this dose no negative sides were noted so if you used clomid in the past and didn't like the negative sides then it may have been dose related... Gustavo77 found this study and this info is sure to help out alot of guys that would normally get negative sides from clomid and at this 25mg dose they can now bipass the negative sides yet be very effective... Here is the link to the study... This study will show test levels 600+ which is good... Other studies that I havn't given a link to yet show test levels 800+ when 100mg is taken... so its your choice to how much Clomid you want to take as both doses are effective...
ahahah, BLAST 3000....maybe I'll bang 2000iu first day
Similar threads
