Hello need cycle advice please test prop/win/tren/var

[Xavealee]

Okay first of all lets start with my stats

Age:23
Weight: 198 Lbs
Bf:23% (dont know if accurate maybe less)
Height: 5'8
weight exp : 6 years
Okay so im planning on starting this cycle with test prop as base and alternting between stanzol/tren ace with var daily for 6-8 weeks

Test prop @ 200 mg Every 2 days @ 2 injects per week of 100mg each or 50mg every other day <--- first opinion here
Tren @ 400mg every other day @ 4 injects each at 100mg
Stanz(winstrol) @ 300mg every other day @ 3 injects each at 100mg
and var 80mg ed 2x40 twice a day

for PCT ill be running Nolvdex/Clmid didnt decide cause i didnt study much about it maybe you can help me with it
this is my first cycle so go easy on me <3
diet is under control everything is fine ill be working out 6-7 days a week

so what do you guys think and recommend? any addition or modifcation?

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Definitely do not do that. That's a horrible plan. At your bf% your just asking to grow boobs (Gynocomastia.)

You should wait it hour, work on getting your bf down to around 15% (at least) and how to diet, train and cycle properly. You'll be x1000 better off for it I promise you.

 

[Bigboss12]

Plus first cycle should be test only.

 

[Bigboss12]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

Give this a read

 

[Xavealee]

Wouldnt this cycle drop my bf? Im currently dieting and i been dieting for few weeks now i lost weight but not sure my bf is accurate soo

 

[Bigboss12]

The cycle won't drop bf a good diet will help lose fat the aas won't do that for you. Plus that is so many compounds for your first cycle read the link posted.

 

[Xavealee]

But i actually read that tren/test/win/var are the only aas that burns fat and i cant run test only cause i just want to get ripped a bit im currently 23-20 bf cause im holding alot of excess skin i guess i had an injury earlier and gained about 50 lbs and lost them now so do u think its possible

 

[PrinceDianabol]

But i actually read that tren/test/win/var are the only aas that burns fat and i cant run test only cause i just want to get ripped a bit im currently 23-20 bf cause im holding alot of excess skin i guess i had an injury earlier and gained about 50 lbs and lost them now so do u think its possible

I think it's far more possible you'll end up with breast tissue growth and erectile dysfunction. But hey, each to their own. If your real unfortunate and pront to it, possible acne and balding head as well. You've chosen one of the most harshest compounds ever for your first cycle lol.

Seriously. Diet down natty. Then do test only bulk. But research a LOT before then.

 

[Roush]

But i actually read that tren/test/win/var are the only aas that burns fat and i cant run test only cause i just want to get ripped a bit im currently 23-20 bf cause im holding alot of excess skin i guess i had an injury earlier and gained about 50 lbs and lost them now so do u think its possible

Those compounds are not fat burners.. They won't help you one bit.. They are used by pros who are at 10% bf and want to stay anabolic and maintain muscle mass while cutting down to 6%,,

That's why you've read what you've read ,, but you applied it to yourself, your not a pro, ... Those compounds will NOT do for you what it does for them,, it will do the opposite, you will get bitch tits, be fat, and have high blood pressure.

Not recommended !

 

[Xavealee]

But im not using high doses of any of these should i lower dose? Tbh im just getting sick of being all natural its getting me nowhere i know steroids is not a quick fix and im willing to listen to the advices u guys give me but im too far from refraining from usage if i dont do that course ill figure out some t3/clen hgh most likely but again as i said im not fat im just not ripped i dont have side fat or anything i just want to get rid of my underboob and make my abs visible + i understand its for pro bodybuilders but come on havent u seen the guy that just started working out surpasses u in 2 month just cause he injected while i been working hard to see a bit of change?

 

[Xavealee]

My bf is assumption btw its not accurate measure when i did the measure tape it once said 17.9 but i want to take the safe route and assume its 23

 

[Xavealee]

Can someone help me acquiring an accurate way of bf measurement?

 

[Roush]

The guy at the gym that surpassed you in 2 months cause he was running gear was probably just running test... TEST is all you need for a first cycle ,, diet and training will determine wither the test helps you get ripped or bulks you up.

My first cycle couple years back.. Just test
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[Roush]

Can someone help me acquiring an accurate way of bf measurement?

You need a fat caliper to measure at 7 points on the body.. You can then enter that into an online calculator

Body Fat (7 Skinfolds) Calculator

 

[Xavealee]

Whats your bodyfat in the first pic man thats some nasty shit like damn good gains looking ripped i just want to get bit of that look not much idm hitting only test,hell its even much cheaper for me to run just test

 

[Xavealee]

And yeah i dont have much arm or leg fat i just have underboob like fat in the axilla area and some fat in my tummy its mostly cause of unstretched skin its filled with stretch marks im personally not happy with how i look i lost huge amount of weight like 50 lbs or something

 

[Roush]

Whats your bodyfat in the first pic man thats some nasty shit like damn good gains looking ripped i just want to get bit of that look not much idm hitting only test,hell its even much cheaper for me to run just test

Plus you need to see how your body responds to adding exogenous hormones. .. You go throwing a whole bunch of different compounds in your body the first go around and the shit hits the fan, you won't know what compound is causing you health problems..

Start with test and get a good idea how your body reacts to it on a first cycle

 

[Xavealee]

But would they cause any problems at these doses? I heared my doses are like low so i wont notice any side effects thats why i was thinkinng abt it i dont want to see side effects i hate them but i dont mind the easy one like insomnia and sweats etc but the ED and teste shrinkage etc is scary

 

[Xavealee]

Ill read into test only cycle nd ill keep in touch with u

 

[tbonexl]

Seriously its like 80% diet. You gotta get your diet and training right. You have no business thinking about running all that shit. It obviously took u some time to accumulate your fat. Your not going to magically have it disappear over night. Go get lypo if that's what your looking for. Read the link provided and stop justifying why you think this would be a good cycle for you. It's not...