Help first cycle suggestions for a newbye

[Saint_]

Hello, I would like to start my post sayin sorry for my bad english since i'm italian so if you don't understand something please try to don't be harsh with me lol

Anyway i really appreciate if you guys could give me some suggestions about the first cycle, what to use, how much and when, of course i saw a lot of posts in various forums about steroids and how they works but i need some advices directly from experienced members so i'll start sayin my informations that may help you in your suggestions:

I'm a 20 yo (soon 21) and i lift from 4 years, i started to follow a good lifestyle based on bodybuilding by almost 2 years i think (lift seriously with mind, eat healthy and following good diets with 1 free day at week, n.b. my charge is brown rice with 160 gr of salmon), i don't drink alchool and smoke, i'm tall 1.86 cm and my current weight is 92 kilos around 16% of bf (haven't checked it out with the plico so i'm not sure). Anyway i wanted to be around 10% of bf for this summer (june or july is my goal), i actually do cardio 3-4 times at week by walking 45 mins at 5.4 speed with maxinum incline, after weight training, i'm following a basic low carbo diet so i'm not taking any carbo later than 2 p.m. and the only carbo i take is 90 gr of brown rice with tuna for my launch.

The question is, i think i'm ready for riding a bike lol so i would do a "cutting cycle" for reaching my goal, so i think i should not take any form of testosterone since i don't want more water on my muscles lol am i right?? any comment is appreciated thanks for your time in advance. -Saint

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

you're not ready but not so far.

you need to get BF% under 15% and gain solid lean mass about an other 8 kilograms.

it shouldn't be so difficult, you almost reached the good plateau, give you a little more patience before to start cycle.

in the diet forum 3J moderator could give you amazing and great advices to reach your goal naturaly by now.

don't f*ck you genetic possiblity by starting AAS to early.

Courage man! you're closer than you think to be ready. i guess an other six months.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

ho and also, welcome in steroidology. it's the place to be.

Benvenuto a steroidology! Qui troverete più di quanto pensi! creda mi !

 

[UserAt204]

To be completely honest, you are too young to start AAS use. Cutting is done thru diet, the actual gear is used to help maintain muscle while you are in a calorie deficit.

At your age you should have high enough testosterone levels to make quality gains without using gear.

I would not advise doing any cycle without testosterone in it. You are speaking from a lack of knowledge, test does aromatize, it converts to estro which can cause some water retention but that is controlled by water intake and diet. You also use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (Aromatase inhibitor) to manage estro.

Test works very well during a cut, and it works very well during a bulk also, diet and training are what decides if it's a bulk or cut.

All AAS shut down your HPTA, so all of them will shut down your natural test production, without test you may quickly have a loss of libido, loss of erections, depressed, etc. Men need testosterone.

We typically don't advise using AAS until about 25, which is the point you are done growing, and your hormones likely have peaked and may be on a slow decline, but it also has to do with maturity, cardiovascular, and endocrine system.

A much better option for you, that I think will give you the results you want, without all the negative side effects, without any water retention, and without the need for a post cycle.

Ostarine is a SARM. It will activate the same androgen receptors as AAS. It will help add lean muscle mass, but it works well for a cut or calorie deficit. It will help you maintain and even add muscle. Ostarine will not cause water retention, it won't cause sides effects. I would start at a dose of 25mg a day and maybe go up to 30-40 depending on how you tolerate it but 25-30mg a day is plenty. It works well, there is research behind it to prove it's effectiveness. And it's legal to purchase for research purposes. I would run this for 8 weeks.

Osta-Gain, a sponsor here sells it.

Another option on top of ostarine is GW501516. It is also a SARM. It will increase stamina and speed up metabolism.

Outside of those, I would stay away from AAS. You have plenty of time so give it a few years. At least try the ostarine first.

 

[Saint_]

you're not ready but not so far.

you need to get BF% under 15% and gain solid lean mass about an other 8 kilograms.

it shouldn't be so difficult, you almost reached the good plateau, give you a little more patience before to start cycle.

in the diet forum 3J moderator could give you amazing and great advices to reach your goal naturaly by now.

don't f*ck you genetic possiblity by starting AAS to early.

Courage man! you're closer than you think to be ready. i guess an other six months.

thanks for the advices, but isn't 8 kilos a little too much to gain?? i swear i can't reach 100 kg with a 15% of bf in almost 1 year i think it's far away from my possibilities since i don't have that great genetics lol (u can see me on my profile picture anyway)


To be completely honest, you are too young to start AAS use. Cutting is done thru diet, the actual gear is used to help maintain muscle while you are in a calorie deficit.

At your age you should have high enough testosterone levels to make quality gains without using gear.

I would not advise doing any cycle without testosterone in it. You are speaking from a lack of knowledge, test does aromatize, it converts to estro which can cause some water retention but that is controlled by water intake and diet. You also use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (Aromatase inhibitor) to manage estro.

Test works very well during a cut, and it works very well during a bulk also, diet and training are what decides if it's a bulk or cut.

All AAS shut down your HPTA, so all of them will shut down your natural test production, without test you may quickly have a loss of libido, loss of erections, depressed, etc. Men need testosterone.

We typically don't advise using AAS until about 25, which is the point you are done growing, and your hormones likely have peaked and may be on a slow decline, but it also has to do with maturity, cardiovascular, and endocrine system.

A much better option for you, that I think will give you the results you want, without all the negative side effects, without any water retention, and without the need for a post cycle.

Ostarine is a SARM. It will activate the same androgen receptors as AAS. It will help add lean muscle mass, but it works well for a cut or calorie deficit. It will help you maintain and even add muscle. Ostarine will not cause water retention, it won't cause sides effects. I would start at a dose of 25mg a day and maybe go up to 30-40 depending on how you tolerate it but 25-30mg a day is plenty. It works well, there is research behind it to prove it's effectiveness. And it's legal to purchase for research purposes. I would run this for 8 weeks.

Osta-Gain, a sponsor here sells it.

Another option on top of ostarine is GW501516. It is also a SARM. It will increase stamina and speed up metabolism.

Outside of those, I would stay away from AAS. You have plenty of time so give it a few years. At least try the ostarine first.


thanks for your comment, and even for the quick tips about testosterone and the other 2 natural boosters i might give it a try.

To be honest i tought to start with a basic cycle of winstrol around 50 mg at day for helping me to cut since i have to be at least at 10% of bf since i have to work on disco ecc. but it seems i'm too young for AAS...do you guys think that doing my cardio program is good or should I take it down a little??

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

winstrol is not a basic cycle at all. it's commun mistake in europe.

testosterone is the basic cycle, for a simple reason, it's the only hormone steroidian than your body already know.

i said steroidian, not peptidic one, like somatopine, or insuline-growth-factor.

no 8 kilograms is not that difficult to reach if you learn something form 3J. in the diet section there : Diet Forum - Anabolic Steroids, Bodybuilding Discussion Forums - Steroidology you will be amazed what just some change in your meals could make.

for the prohomone you mentioned above, i'm not a expert.

i'm just sure than your genetic possibility, especialy at your age ( you have a correct amount of somatropine by now at 20 or 21) is not at the edge yet.

go to the link i posted, you COULD NOT be desapointed.

ounce again, i don't know sh*t on prohormone use, i heard some got great gains though.

but before of all, see the diet section seriously.

in Europe a lot peoples are just going wrong by running winstrol, nandrolone, boldenone, methenolone, methandronostenolone, oxymetholone, drostanolone, dimethyltestosterone, and all the rest of the family of DHT, 19-nor homones, testosterone derivatives, and never known how to plan steroids in a good way.

a lot of people i met never heard of cabergoline, letrozole, anastrozole, exemestane, tamoxifene... and got serious gyno symptoms. other don't even know gonadotrophine or clomiphene... they are just crazy...

have you ever heard than stanozolol is the worst hormone for joints? just for example...

realy i know what i'm talking about when i say, see 3j, follow his advices, you will be more solid before to start steroids.

i said, and i say : you're closer of your goal than you think.

you will see. 100% positiv.

some great champions from EU country passed in my hands with the years... now they are ok... some other, are sterile, kidney, liver issues... and this is just a lil part of the bodybuilding world.

first of all reach your edge naturaly. you can do this. You have to have trust in you!!

 

[Saint_]

winstrol is not a basic cycle at all. it's commun mistake in europe.

testosterone is the basic cycle, for a simple reason, it's the only hormone steroidian than your body already know.

i said steroidian, not peptidic one, like somatopine, or insuline-growth-factor.

no 8 kilograms is not that difficult to reach if you learn something form 3J. in the diet section there : Diet Forum - Anabolic Steroids, Bodybuilding Discussion Forums - Steroidology you will be amazed what just some change in your meals could make.

for the prohomone you mentioned above, i'm not a expert.

i'm just sure than your genetic possibility, especialy at your age ( you have a correct amount of somatropine by now at 20 or 21) is not at the edge yet.

go to the link i posted, you COULD NOT be desapointed.

ounce again, i don't know sh*t on prohormone use, i heard some got great gains though.

but before of all, see the diet section seriously.

in Europe a lot peoples are just going wrong by running winstrol, nandrolone, boldenone, methenolone, methandronostenolone, oxymetholone, drostanolone, dimethyltestosterone, and all the rest of the family of DHT, 19-nor homones, testosterone derivatives, and never known how to plan steroids in a good way.

a lot of people i met never heard of cabergoline, letrozole, anastrozole, exemestane, tamoxifene... and got serious gyno symptoms. other don't even know gonadotrophine or clomiphene... they are just crazy...

have you ever heard than stanozolol is the worst hormone for joints? just for example...

realy i know what i'm talking about when i say, see 3j, follow his advices, you will be more solid before to start steroids.

i said, and i say : you're closer of your goal than you think.

you will see. 100% positiv.

some great champions from EU country passed in my hands with the years... now they are ok... some other, are sterile, kidney, liver issues... and this is just a lil part of the bodybuilding world.

first of all reach your edge naturaly. you can do this. You have to have trust in you!!

Thanks for the informations, it means a lot to me, there should be a lot more members like you. -Saint

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Thanks for the informations, it means a lot to me, there should be a lot more members like you. -Saint

you're welcome. ask if anything.