Help me evaluate my cycle....I made a mistake so I will pay attention
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Jrader, I am not a pro at this by any means, but maybe you can learn from my mistakes. Deca should be just fine if run at 300mg or less per week and along with at least an equal amount of Test. I ran it twice before this cycle with no issues. But I have had friends and people on this forum say that the amount of Deca I was using shut me down. From what I have researched, deca shuts you down harder than any other compound, other than Anadrol. I personally would not use more than 300mg/week and would discontinue 2-3 weeks prior to the end of Test...just my 2 cents. I would do my research if I were you and get advice from others on this site.
Also, I am 40, so my T, FSH, and LH levels are probably lower than someone younger and are probably less resillient.
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DrHiney
Meathead University
No I am not a MD. Let me be very clear here, I am in no way telling you to against the protocol your Dr set for you. Granted most Dr.s are not familiar with AAS use except for the archaic cliches that have been taught in medical school for the past 30 years that have not changed. But luckily for us, more and more are beginning to become more familiar with it.
I am only talking about hCG use DURING a cycle. What I gather from what you have written is that he has prescribed it for you to recover from testicular atrophy/ libido issues due to your use of a 19-nor. 19 nors (deca/ tren) are pretty notorious for a serious suppression. I am supprised you were completely shutdown considering you ran testosterone along with it. Your age is probably a major culprit in all of this. Running deca or tren alone has been known to ruin peoples endocrine system. I would really like to know exactly how you ran your previous cycle.
My guess is that he is prescribing the hCG because your testes did not recover from the cycle and they need help producing again. Most likely you will slowly taper the dosage down in order to trick the HPGA into producing GnRH again on its own; and the clomid will help prevent any gyno from the hCG(yes hCG can cause gyno, it causes a production in testosterone after all). However this is tricky to do, especially if your pituitary is "shot". Please provide me some more info as to the previous cycle you ran.
Again, I am not telling you to go against medical advice, and I don't believe I was in the first place. I was simply stating hCG use during a cycle, and that it should not be used for post cycle therapy (pct) after a cycle. You are no longer on what we call a post cycle therapy (pct). You are now on a hormone recovery therapy.
I am only talking about hCG use DURING a cycle. What I gather from what you have written is that he has prescribed it for you to recover from testicular atrophy/ libido issues due to your use of a 19-nor. 19 nors (deca/ tren) are pretty notorious for a serious suppression. I am supprised you were completely shutdown considering you ran testosterone along with it. Your age is probably a major culprit in all of this. Running deca or tren alone has been known to ruin peoples endocrine system. I would really like to know exactly how you ran your previous cycle.
My guess is that he is prescribing the hCG because your testes did not recover from the cycle and they need help producing again. Most likely you will slowly taper the dosage down in order to trick the HPGA into producing GnRH again on its own; and the clomid will help prevent any gyno from the hCG(yes hCG can cause gyno, it causes a production in testosterone after all). However this is tricky to do, especially if your pituitary is "shot". Please provide me some more info as to the previous cycle you ran.
Again, I am not telling you to go against medical advice, and I don't believe I was in the first place. I was simply stating hCG use during a cycle, and that it should not be used for post cycle therapy (pct) after a cycle. You are no longer on what we call a post cycle therapy (pct). You are now on a hormone recovery therapy.
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No. I understood you correctly. I was just asking you, because, after years of training and other cylces, this is unchartered territory for me. My previous cycle was 300mg of Test E and 300mg of Deca a week. I started of using some Winstrol and EQ alond with that. However, I had bad sides initially from the Winstrol and bad sides later from the EQ in week 3, so I discontnued both.
I greatly appreciate your help, and I have posted a new post to try and get support/advice from others who have been totally shutdown.
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After taking more than my normal amount of Test and Deca, I am shut down. The past 2 cycles I took 300mg of each per week. I doubled that for a 12 week cycle. I had already decided to do less on my next cycle, because my gains were not any better than in my previous 2 cycles. (Note: I had done plenty of cylces 20 years prior)...so not my first go around. Also note**** for those considering a cycle, more than 200-300mg/wk is not necessary.
I have my strength which is the same and see no difference in muscle mass or weight...lost about 2 lbs, but that is probably due to stress. Libido and sex were above average for my age and actually above average for a 25 yr old (took care of myself everyday unless a chic was taking care of it for me) until this last cycle. I did my normal PCT (which I know you will all disagree with, but it's worked 10 times before and 2X recently). I usually start 500mg/wk of HCG 2 weeks after my last shot along 20mg/ED of Nolvadex to prevent gyno. This got me going temporarily.
I had already planned to see a doc prior to having these probs at the end of my cycle. At the time, I just had started a difference in my ability to get an erection. It happened, but it took work. It was much easier with a chic, but, obviously, I was now self conscious. My bloodwork put my T levels at 144. After speaking with my doc who prescribes HRT to those who need it, I was told that I was Steriodoly netuering myself with the amount of deca I was taking.
I was put on HCG 2500mg EOD and clomid 50mg 2X a day for the first week and HCG (same) and Clomid 25mg 2X a day. I am to have bloodwork done after that.
Let you know what the results are....hope it works, if not I am on legal gear for the rest of my life....not exactly what I wanted. (Do NOT understand it...it's not close to what a PRO would do)
I have heard of others being shut down for over 6 months that recovered.
Please let me know, if you have gone through this and what your results were, and, from others, what your observations are.
Just to be clear my first cycle was just 200mg of cypionate per week with the same post cycle therapy (pct). I corrected it in another post but not this one. Very light cycle, from what I know, as was the 2nd. This last one shut me down and hard. I thought it might shut me down (as to all cycles), but I did not think it would shut me down like this.
