Help please! Bad labs need insight

[Cbrooks1]

Looks like im gonna need some help. 2 previous cycles with pct followed to the T. never had bloods taken previous. however i have always had some anxiety and anger issues. also have always had trouble building sizable muscle. on both cycles all said issues went away. Got bloods done and have some issues. take a look and give me your professional insight please. Austinite come in here and help me.

 

[methos0123]

I don't see the labs....

 

[Cbrooks1]

fixed, also liver enzymes were high due to medication i was prescribed so the doc and i have stopped those meds.

 

[methos0123]

I would repeat lab...If your liver markers are correct, you have a big problem that you need to address before even venturing to worrying about your testosterone. If your doc doesn't know about these, might be a good idea to talk to him/her about it.

 

[Cbrooks1]

He knew they were high. it is more than likely some meds i was taking and or some drinking i did a few days prior for my brothers bachelor party. bloods will be getting redone due to that but its nothing. they are elevated at that particular time but im pretty comfortable that its based on circumstance. i was in the military and bloods were takin then 2012 and everything was just fine but it was purely a medabolic panel and doubt they checked T levels

 

[halfwit]

Sorry for the late reply, getting ready for the new semester and all...

Okay, so for starters: You realize that you have elevated liver enzymes which is fixable with running NAC at around 1000-1200mg ED. I'd do that for a good month or so and then you can probably back down to 500mg ED (get a test to confirm of course). I would also hop on fish oil if you haven't already and run that at 2g to 4g ED. I cannot speak highly enough about fish oil, and the best part is that you don't have to spend a small fortune on it to see good results with your lipids. I personally buy a giant bottle of Kirkland stuff from Costco that lasts a couple months.

To the testosterone: You're missing a few key items here that can really help paint a picture on what is going on. You need to see your LH/FSH/Prolactin (PRL)/and estradiol (E2) to get a better feel for what is going on. 72ng/dL is VERY low and I'm sure you feel less than stellar.

I do have a few questions though:

1. When was your last cycle and subsequent PCT?
2. What was your PCT and how long did it last?
3. How long have you felt the way you do?
4. What was your cycle (most previous one) consisting of?
5. How old are you and when did you start your first cycle?

I think that the answers to these questions along with getting panels run for the above hormones will help you figure out what's going on. If you just finished PCT in the last month, and you have very low LH/FSH values, I would personally try another PCT and see if you can't wake up that sleeping pituitary gland. However, if your PCT was 6 months ago and you've felt this way for some time (before the cycle), you may have been hypogonadal for some time and TRT may be an option in your future.

Note/disclaimer: I'm not a doctor, but I've been through the "ringers" so to speak and have an idea how this stuff works through trial and error. Hopefully you're just suffering from a bad PCT and can restart that HPTA back up. If not, TRT is a viable and life-changing solution that may be the best course of action. I do recommend you read the sticky in the TRT forums for more information as Megatron put up a really helpful guide to TRT which may answer any questions that you have lingering in your brain.

My .02c

 

[Cbrooks1]

Halfwit thank you for the stellar reply, my last cycle ended sometime around june i believe. I have cycled 2 times with only 1 being a legit full cycle which was the one that ended in june. it consisted of 750mg test e week and dbol at 50 daily for 6 weeks and i always took liver support. I took hcg at 500 iu at 250 iu twice weekly. pct'd off with 4 weeks of nolva at 40/40/20/20 and clomid at 50/50/50/50. i have always felt so so. Short tempermant and anxious basically my whole adult life. my sex drive has been so so thru my young adult years to where i liked to have it but could go without if that made since. I think i liked the chase of it and the 1 hitter quitter more than having sex multiple time with the same female. whats weird is im a mans man and always have been. i felt amazing when on cycle but at the same time who wouldn't? Im not to worried about the liver since im almost 100% sure why it was off however i have started taking milk thistle that i had from my last cycle since last cycle i ran out of the good stuff made by himilaya. fish oil has also been started to help with the lipids. im taking 3 fish oil pills daily now. my main concern was that awful T level and never dreamed it would come back that low but i was suspect which was my reasoning for requesting the panel from my doc. lethargic and sex drive has always been off somewhat. I have sex with the wife but most of the time only when i want it which come and goes. when she wants it it is very difficult for me to get in the mood. my doc prescribed androgel which is waiting approval from my insurance as medically necessary. I put in a call to him to switch it from the gel to self inject based on price. androgel is damn expensive. also another note is that when i joined the military during my physical the doctor that was grabbing my balls said i was 50/50 sterile and that there was a blockage in my balls. could this be a reason you think for the terrible testosterone? I did try and start a test prop cycle about 3-4 months ago but stopped after the 3rd inject because the pip was so ungodly painful that i decide against it and did not run a pct because i felt it wasnt needed for such a short run. It was pinnacle gear. my other cycle was kalpa and it was great stuff.

 

[Flynman]

Cbrooks1 I had the anxiety and so so sex problem but not the anger problem...did not start until in my 40's . Turns out I had low Test levels in the 80 range. TRT test cyp at 200-300 mgs wk definetly stopped the anxiety and sex drive returned. I was taking a few different meds for other health issues and Arimidex 1mg 3x week. I had the elevated liver enzymes and the NAC lowered it to within normal range.. At least I think it was the NAC. get the bloods checked again after taking the NAC and see what happens.

 

[Cbrooks1]

Thanks for the reply. i will definitely get the enzymes in check. Im only 29 btw never mentioned this. hopefully everything gets sorted out soon and i start feeling like i should. Im almost gonna be dissapointed if i start feeling great cause i will feel like i was missing out!

 

[meatmonkey]

Looks like im gonna need some help. 2 previous cycles with pct followed to the T. never had bloods taken previous. however i have always had some anxiety and anger issues. also have always had trouble building sizable muscle. on both cycles all said issues went away. Got bloods done and have some issues. take a look and give me your professional insight please. Austinite come in here and help me.

From your labs, looks to me like you were on orals your most recent cycle. HDL was low, liver enzymes high... Very common with orals. And btw, your test is absolutely crashed. In the 70's... Ouch! No wonder you're angry/moody. Have you used any HCG? Are you taking 40mg Nolvadex/day? I'm on test year-round, but am in my 40's and that's the result of 15 years+ gear use... I'd recommend you inquire about trt, but at your age, low t isn't as common as it is for guys my age. None the less, you're either crashed from your last cycle still, or you have low t. Having a test level like yours, no wonder you're not feeling well. You should be in the 600-800 range IMO.

 

[Cbrooks1]

I guess since I have low T or I'm crashed would it be safe to cycle then cruise? I have already been prescribeded to TRT and awaiting approval from my insurance to deem it medically necessary. I called them and told the guy on the phone let me basically cut your fuckin nuts off and you tell me if it's medically necessary. But would it be harmful at this point to cycle some testosterone at say 750 w/k for 16-20 weeks then cruise on human grade? Also if anyone has a source they would like to inbox me for some good T that would be great. I have a source but they are out of stock on kalpa and that's all I've used and it was great. So I would rather use something someone can speak for. I'm state side. Oh and like stated before, I did take hcg the whole time and also pct'd off Clomid 50/50/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20. That was in june. Did dbol for 6 weeks at 50mg daily while using liv52 as liver support. Had 0 sides while on cycle maybe some elevated blood pressure but that's to be expected.

 

[halfwit]

Halfwit thank you for the stellar reply, my last cycle ended sometime around june i believe. I have cycled 2 times with only 1 being a legit full cycle which was the one that ended in june. it consisted of 750mg test e week and dbol at 50 daily for 6 weeks and i always took liver support. I took hcg at 500 iu at 250 iu twice weekly. pct'd off with 4 weeks of nolva at 40/40/20/20 and clomid at 50/50/50/50. i have always felt so so. Short tempermant and anxious basically my whole adult life. my sex drive has been so so thru my young adult years to where i liked to have it but could go without if that made since. I think i liked the chase of it and the 1 hitter quitter more than having sex multiple time with the same female. whats weird is im a mans man and always have been. i felt amazing when on cycle but at the same time who wouldn't? Im not to worried about the liver since im almost 100% sure why it was off however i have started taking milk thistle that i had from my last cycle since last cycle i ran out of the good stuff made by himilaya. fish oil has also been started to help with the lipids. im taking 3 fish oil pills daily now. my main concern was that awful T level and never dreamed it would come back that low but i was suspect which was my reasoning for requesting the panel from my doc. lethargic and sex drive has always been off somewhat. I have sex with the wife but most of the time only when i want it which come and goes. when she wants it it is very difficult for me to get in the mood. my doc prescribed androgel which is waiting approval from my insurance as medically necessary. I put in a call to him to switch it from the gel to self inject based on price. androgel is damn expensive. also another note is that when i joined the military during my physical the doctor that was grabbing my balls said i was 50/50 sterile and that there was a blockage in my balls. could this be a reason you think for the terrible testosterone? I did try and start a test prop cycle about 3-4 months ago but stopped after the 3rd inject because the pip was so ungodly painful that i decide against it and did not run a pct because i felt it wasnt needed for such a short run. It was pinnacle gear. my other cycle was kalpa and it was great stuff.

Did you hear the word varicocele by chance? That's a VERY common reason for low T and I'm surprised they didn't (okay, not really surprised) check your hormones at the same time. It's basically a problem with the veins in your testes, which can easily cause permanent damage there. It sounds like you've been dealing with this for awhile, so I do honestly think that you're looking at TRT unless you want to take a chance that an operation (if they can) to repair your varicocele is successful in restoring your natural hormones.

I guess since I have low T or I'm crashed would it be safe to cycle then cruise? I have already been prescribeded to TRT and awaiting approval from my insurance to deem it medically necessary. I called them and told the guy on the phone let me basically cut your fuckin nuts off and you tell me if it's medically necessary. But would it be harmful at this point to cycle some testosterone at say 750 w/k for 16-20 weeks then cruise on human grade? Also if anyone has a source they would like to inbox me for some good T that would be great. I have a source but they are out of stock on kalpa and that's all I've used and it was great. So I would rather use something someone can speak for. I'm state side. Oh and like stated before, I did take hcg the whole time and also pct'd off Clomid 50/50/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20. That was in june. Did dbol for 6 weeks at 50mg daily while using liv52 as liver support. Had 0 sides while on cycle maybe some elevated blood pressure but that's to be expected.

Okay, this is where it gets tricky.

I do blast and cruise (I'm on TRT myself), but you have to be patient for at least the first six months to get you dialed in. There will be mandatory blood tests coming up where they will want to make sure you're taking enough testosterone to keep you at a healthy value. Of course, this value differs from doctor to doctor, and they seldom ask how you feel during this process. You made a good choice in refusing the androgel as it is not only stupid expensive, but most I know find it pretty ineffective too.

Give your TRT a good six months to a year, then we can talk on how to "cheat the system" in order to make lemonade from those lemons you're sporting. It's all about spacing out your half-lives (it typically takes about a month to 8 weeks to come back down) and managing your BP/Lipids/Triglycerides/liver enzymes so you don't raise any flags. I do recommend you read up in the TRT section here so you are better armed for the days to come.

My .02c

 

[Cbrooks1]

Thanks again bro! No that word doesnt ring a bell but im willing to put money on it that your spot on. I dont think my doctor is really the man for the job when it comes to TRT. He will prescribe basically what i tell him but that may not be exactly what i need. Or maybe it is since i get all my information here. Im gonna request i get my hormones checked again and we will see what that turns out to be. I have been doing lots of reading on the trt section and am basically about to give my doctor a protocol based on what i know and we will see what happens. Thanks again for the replys your help is greatly appreciated.

 

[jjflex]

halfwit awesome information!

 

[halfwit]

Thanks again bro! No that word doesnt ring a bell but im willing to put money on it that your spot on. I dont think my doctor is really the man for the job when it comes to TRT. He will prescribe basically what i tell him but that may not be exactly what i need. Or maybe it is since i get all my information here. Im gonna request i get my hormones checked again and we will see what that turns out to be. I have been doing lots of reading on the trt section and am basically about to give my doctor a protocol based on what i know and we will see what happens. Thanks again for the replys your help is greatly appreciated.

There's a reason why I've learned as much as I have in TRT; my doctor is pretty clueless and I have had to take charge of my hormones as he's basically my little "script monkey". He's a nice guy, but he clearly doesn't have a vested interest in my hormones (as I'm sure you feel the same with yours), and is just playing everything by ear. Sadly, I've yet to meet an endo or GP in my area that has anywhere near the amount of knowledge found on these boards - so until I can afford someone like IMT, it's "thanks for the script doc, see you in six months!".

That may or may not be your case, but you're not alone if so. I truly wish you the best of luck, as there are going to probably be a few hoops to jump through before you're in hormone heaven. Just remember, the end result DEFINITELY justifies the means.

My .02c

 

[Cbrooks1]

just read up on varicocele. Thats it all day long! sharp pain in the left nut and everything. i thought they were just so big they hurt from hangin there lol jk but for real thats it no doubt about it. will i get surgery for that. no probably not but it makes me feel better knowing the cause. I will go to a urologist to conform or deny. BTW i talked with IMT today. i have a pretty good knowledge and obviously a plethora of advice about AAS and also how to use it, obviously theres still a ton to learn. My question is with a UGL of a extensive background should work just the same no? HCG and AI's can most def be found so whats the reason why i wouldnt self medicate, get bloods report back and repeat till im in good shape? I mean if guys like me and you go to our docs and feel as if we need to teach them something why go to them? just for the pharm grade?

 

[anon999]

So you've had a varicocele for years even before doing any cycles? Does your scrotum have a "bag of worms" appearance? Or does it look like any google image search returns for varicocele?

 

[Cbrooks1]

You can feel it. It's not so much based on sight. I felt all thru my teens and just thought everyone's was like that. Never fondled another nutsack and still haven't lol. When I joined the military the physical doc was feeling around in my sac and I could just see the curiosity in his expression and to be honest was waiting for him to feel what I had felt all those year's and as soon as he touched it I knew it wasn't normal , then he went on to say that I had a blockage and It could mean sterility 50/50. He never spouted out the technical term tho. He never said it would or could affect my T levels tho. Military docs especially in meps just kinda go thru the motion. As to the worm feeling I can see where they would use that terminology. And yes LONG before cycles. Like 14-15 years old or so