Helpful advice on mdrol cycle

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bsdtool

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First off Im 26 years old. ive been working out for quite a while now. I completed a cycle of hdrol last spring and will be starting a cycle of mdrol this monday.

I made sure to take milk thistle and hawthorne berries for the past two weeks and i have always drank 1gal+ of water a day. i hhave a clean diet full of proteins.

for my cycle I plan on running mdrol 20/20/20/20. I have cycle assist which will be taken throughout the cycle as well as the norms a good multi, protein, creatine...etc.

For pct i decided on liquid tamoxifen and clomiphene. which will be dosed at 40/20/20/20 for the tamox, and 300mg (first day only) 100mg a day for the remainder of the first two weeks and then 50mg for two more weeks for the clomiphene

I will be taking a natty, milk thistle and howthorne berries throughout pct as well.

my questions are:

1. What time of day should I take tamox and clomiphene, and should they be taken at the same time or spread out?

2. What do you think of the dosages?

3. Is a natty necessary? If so, would it need to be taken on non workout days or at all beyond pct?

any help would be appreciated. i have searched multiple sites and forums but theres a lot of opinons out there which makes it hard to make an educated decision.
 
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take your serms at night before you go to bed... its fine to take them together... yes, you need at least daa in your post cycle therapy (pct)... you could run hcgenerate in your post cycle therapy (pct) as well... you should just use n2guard in your cycle and if you want to, in your post cycle therapy (pct)... what else are you running in your post cycle therapy (pct)?
 
what benefits would i have from running hcgenerate in post cycle therapy (pct)? and could you please explain what daa is, is that the natty? and when you say use n2guard i assume you mean to replace something im currently using with n2guard, would that be the cycle assist?

as far as pct goes like i said ill be taking tamoxifen, clomiphene, milk thistle, hawthorne berry, natty, protein, creatine, pre and during workout supps which are heavy in bcaa's, multi, virgin salmon oil, and plenty of water and a clean diet.

I still dont know if i should take the natty on non training days but i think i will just to be safe. but as far as post pct is the natty needed or beneficial or should i stick to the regular supps until im ready for another cycle?

i really appreciate the response
 
seriously any help would be appreciated

i joined this forum to get informative help and so far its been a bust. everyone preaches research but its hard to research when no one replies. i just moved to a new town and dont know a lot of ppl so any and all help in regard to my cycle would be appreciated, just try to make it helpful and not bashing.
 
bsdtool said:
i joined this forum to get informative help and so far its been a bust. everyone preaches research but its hard to research when no one replies. i just moved to a new town and dont know a lot of ppl so any and all help in regard to my cycle would be appreciated, just try to make it helpful and not bashing.
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research research research doesn't mean hey everyone spoon feed me!


DAA is d-aspartic acid - look it up.

i think natty test boosters are plain wasted money.

you don't need all those support supps if you're taking n2guard. it has all that crap in it except the creatine and preWO.


google is your friend. look for consistencies between threads and sites. there is enough info on the internet about steroids and pro hormones to keep you busy for the rest of your life - use it - then ask questions.
 
Jesus H Whoppner!!

Why not just run some Test with Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand and post cycle therapy (pct) ???
 
i dont have access to any test that is why i am taking orals. I am not asking to be spoon feed. i spend a couple hors online everyday after working out researching. i just want helpful advice from experienced ppl. why would i need to take n2guard if i am already taking cycle assist?? i already have the natty for post cycle therapy (pct) so i will go ahead and take it on post cycle therapy (pct) and make my decision from there. but why do you think its a waste? obviously there will be some left over mdrol since its a 90 pill bottle so i will purchase n2guard for my next cycle. i had already looked up daa and ordered it for post cycle therapy (pct). what doy you think about hcg? and try not to be an ass next time i thought thats what the furoms were made for, to ask questions and get helpful responses. do you think other than adding daa that my post cycle therapy (pct) and dosages are correct given the dosage of mdrol while on cycle? everywhere has conflicting oppinions and broscience so i wanted to ask and see what responses i get.
 
bsdtool said:
i dont have access to any test that is why i am taking orals. I am not asking to be spoon feed. i spend a couple hors online everyday after working out researching. i just want helpful advice from experienced ppl. why would i need to take n2guard if i am already taking cycle assist?? i already have the natty for pct so i will go ahead and take it on pct and make my decision from there. but why do you think its a waste? obviously there will be some left over mdrol since its a 90 pill bottle so i will purchase n2guard for my next cycle. i had already looked up daa and ordered it for post cycle therapy (pct). what doy you think about hcg? and try not to be an ass next time i thought thats what the furoms were made for, to ask questions and get helpful responses. do you think other than adding daa that my pct and dosages are correct given the dosage of mdrol while on cycle? everywhere has conflicting oppinions and broscience so i wanted to ask and see what responses i get.
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natural test boosters don't do anything otherwise you'd hear about people running them for cycles all the time.

i didn't see you had cycle assist. you don't need n2guard in addition to cycle assist. you also don't need to add the extra milk thistle and hawthorneberry.

if you can get injectable Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (the only kind worth using) then you can get test and should use it. period. oral Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is shit.



honestly, you don't NEED much of this stuff. drink a shit ton of water on cycle and you should be fine. you're only on it for 4 weeks. if you choose to add this stuff, use your head and work it out. right now you've got a lot of money into stuff that isn't necessary (especially when it comes to multiple products doing the same thing)
 
the milk thistle and hawthorne berry was only to preload before the cycle and to use during post cycle. ive read that tamoxifen is pretty toxic as well so i wanted liver protection during post cycle therapy (pct) for it. other than that the only cycle supps are cycle assist and mdrol, and post cycle therapy (pct) supps being the tamoxifen, clomiphene, milk thistle, hawthorne berry, and natty. the protein, creatine, preworkout and during workout, multi and fish oil, i always take whether cycling or not. the only reason for the natty is i have read many times that ppl recommend it. do you feel there is enough testosterone boosting with the serms? anything that could save me money im down for because it does get pretty expensive. as far as pinning goes im not against it at all and i understand its the way to go, just havent found a reliable source yet. so until that day ill have to stick to orals. sorry if im asking the same questions you have answered a hundred times. i just took a job in myrtle beach and know nobody so i work out about myself and have nowhere to turn to for advice but these forums. plus its nice to actually talk to ppl who are interested in the same thing as me and that are knowledgeable in the subject matter. theres nothing but kids and old ppl in the gym i attend near my house, but they have all of the equipment i need so its bearable.
 
bsdtool said:
the milk thistle and hawthorne berry was only to preload before the cycle and to use during post cycle. ive read that tamoxifen is pretty toxic as well so i wanted liver protection during pct for it. other than that the only cycle supps are cycle assist and mdrol, and pct supps being the tamoxifen, clomiphene, milk thistle, hawthorne berry, and natty. the protein, creatine, preworkout and during workout, multi and fish oil, i always take whether cycling or not. the only reason for the natty is i have read many times that ppl recommend it. do you feel there is enough testosterone boosting with the serms? anything that could save me money im down for because it does get pretty expensive. as far as pinning goes im not against it at all and i understand its the way to go, just havent found a reliable source yet. so until that day ill have to stick to orals. sorry if im asking the same questions you have answered a hundred times. i just took a job in myrtle beach and know nobody so i work out about myself and have nowhere to turn to for advice but these forums. plus its nice to actually talk to ppl who are interested in the same thing as me and that are knowledgeable in the subject matter. theres nothing but kids and old ppl in the gym i attend near my house, but they have all of the equipment i need so its bearable.
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no worries.

IMO, save the money on the natty t-booster. the SERM will be plenty to raise your levels back. they do 2 things - 1, stimulate your HPTA and help you restore test levels and 2, block sensitive sites from estrogen rebound.

in my honest opinion, liver toxicity is highly exaggerated when it comes to oral steroids (and SERMs). if you do not use them for an extended amount of time and use reasonable dosages - you should be fine given you do not have a preexisting liver condition.

if it makes you feel safer to take the milk thistle and stuff through post cycle therapy (pct), go ahead. you should not need hawthorne berry post cycle.

A higher intake of water than normal should be just about all you need on cycle - it will keep fluids cycling through your liver.


I'm sorry but i am not a follower in that a small dosage of an herb can keep your liver healthy even if it is under great stress. if you have a liver condition you shouldn't be taking oral steroids (or using any other remotely toxic substance) to begin with.


now that being said I am not a doctor and take my advice with a grain of salt.
 
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Thanks for the info. i promise it is not in one ear and out the other. ive been drinking about a gallon and a half of straight water a day plus i always use water in my protein, pre and during work out supps, so thats about 2 gals a day total. a lto of peopl say that creatine should be saved for pct and not taken on cycle but i cant find anything but broscience that backs that. whats your oppinion?
 
bsdtool said:
Thanks for the info. i promise it is not in one ear and out the other. ive been drinking about a gallon and a half of straight water a day plus i always use water in my protein, pre and during work out supps, so thats about 2 gals a day total. a lto of peopl say that creatine should be saved for pct and not taken on cycle but i cant find anything but broscience that backs that. whats your oppinion?
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the idea behind that is to keep an ace in the hole for PCT.

IMO there is good argument for and against. use it on cycle to get the most out of your cycle... save it for PCT to try and maintain your gains... its a toss up IMO.

yes there is a LOT of broscience behind it because there really haven't been many situational studies to support this question... that i have found at least :biggthump
 
I am wanting to get some taurine in case back pumps become an issue. could you recommend anything specific or the best place to order it from. most cycle logs say 10 mgs a day but im only finding 500mg tabs. also have you heard of anyone running mdrol more than 4 weeks? i dont plan on it but just wondering why its a 90 count bottle but says dont take more than 2 a day for four weeks. also any recomendations on bumping up the dosage to 30mg a day in the latter weeks? Should the tamox be started during last week of the cycle even if im not having nip issues. some ppl say to start it early.
 
albundy33 said:
all that pro hor shit i dont get it.Its got bad sides so why not just go wit the real deal.
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man that was a real quality post.

if you don't get it then stay out of the PH forum :splat:


as far as "real bad sides" they aren't any worse when properly dosed as your "real" steroids.
 
albundy33 said:
ok jerkoff
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says the guy coming in talking shit about something he doesn't know anything about.


its often better to open your eyes and your ears before opening your mouth. parroting something you read from an uneducated meathead on some internet forum is dumb. if you knew even a little bit about the history of the current PHs you would "get it".

they're steroids, you get gains and they're legal. what else is there to get?
 
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