wow this shit is no joke! haha i've been reading around and i read the tren nightmare thanks to 1badmofo, i am not gonna take it i'm gonna either sell it or wait a long long time before i try that stuff if i ever do, I'm gonna do a whole shitload of cardio and eat really good to get my bf to about 10-12 then im gonna prob try deca and sus again that cycle worked pretty well with me although i had to stop it earlier than i wish because it was football season and i was just getting too banged up... thank you guys very much for all your help I thought i knew what i was doing but i guess not! any ideas on good supps and diets/workouts to help me achieve this will be greatly appreciated! thanks again for everyones help im glad i wrote this before i started it!