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almer6860

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Hey guys so I need your input. Anyone's advice would be greatly appreciated. So it seems that I have been taking steroids from the ages of 19 to 21. I have been of for about a year now and I am having issues with erections and testosterone levels. I went to the doctor got results and he has decided to send me to a endocronologist. I really have done things always at a small dose and monitored properly by an older IFFB pro. So I really need to fix this issue and wanted to know if anyone is experiencing the same problem as me. Does this mean replacement therapy for life? I am still 21 and is there any way then can fix my levels to how they used to be? Here are my results:

Testosterone Free 9.5 ng/dl (9-30)
Prolactin 9.8 ng/ml (2.5-17.0)
Free Test 263 ng/dl (240-950)
Estradiol 56.3 pg/ml
 
Hey I took a few cycles. Mostly 8 to 10 week cycles with sustanon at 250-500mg a week with eq at about 400 mg/week. I did 3cycles exactly like that and pct was never well planned. That was my issue. I have never overdosed my cycles. And always seemed to recover pretty well, but now after a year of no drugs I suffer with this issue. I even feel the slight bump under my left nipple. The eurologist offered an anti-e or testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). Do you think there is a solution to bring my natural test back up or is this permanent?

And sorry I didnt mean to say SEEMS. I did take 3 cycles in those 3 years.
 
I'm no doctor bro, after a year with no drugs, it sounds permanent to me. Did U ask Ur endo this question?? If so, what did he/she say??
 
Ya I did mention it to my doctor and he says he wants me to go see a endocronologist. He said if anything my options are testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or an anti-e for the high estradiol count. It it weird because a few months ago my test levels were in the mid 400's when I tested and I havent taken any drug and it has went down to the 200's in a few months. I really hope this isnt permanent damage.
 
thats real shitty to hear. but why would my test levels just taper down months and months after even when im not taking anything?
 
Sounds like you didnt do ANY post cycle therapy (pct). This is a prime situation where research comes in hand. Sucks about your situation!
 
This how you ask for help right here.
Hey bro that really sucks. like Biggin said could be permanent. but be straight with the docs and they may be able to help
if you ever cycle again, bet you'll use post cycle therapy (pct). did the "pro" not have advice about Pct?
on the bright side how did you do with gains?
 
I did pretty well with my gains. I havent kept everything I gained, but I gained about 7-8 lbs of muscle. That also surprises me because I am about 187 at 8% bodyfat and 5'8. I have a decent shape and size but whats the point if I have to deal with the other issue. The pro suggested I was to only take arimidex post cycle. Listened to the wrong people and made wrong decisions.
 
yeah the brights side seems a little dim. hopfully it can be reversed by your endo and you can get back in the game. best of luck to you. keep us posted.
 
so you'll first have to find out WHY your testosterone levels are so low and estrogen so high.

Your endo will probably do some more tests from thyroid to having your testosterone AND FSH / LH levels.

You'll first have to find out if you are suffering from primary hypogonadism or secondary (or tertiary for that matter).

He might put you on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) - HcG therapy. If you respond well, meaning your test levels go up significantly - then you are suffering from secondary not primary. Meaning your balls CAN produce enough testosterone but aren't receiving the right signals (FSH and LH) to do so.

If you start HcG and your balls STILL don't produce enough testosterone - then you have damaged your balls (specific cells but that's not important for you right now) to the point where you will need testosterone injections for the rest of your life .

IF you are right and a few months ago your balls WERE producing more testosterone then IMO you don't have a life-long problem - or at least you are not suffering from primary hypogonadism - cause the damage to the Leydig cells would have occured DURING the cycle when they were doing nothing (or with HIGH dose Hcg which you didn't do).

My personal "guess" is that your body is out of balance - high estrogen leading to low testosterone. You'll need a GOOD endo.

And, DO check your thyroid hormone levels - if that's screwed too it could lead exactly to this problem. This I can tell you because I was in EXACTLY the same place. I started dosing T4 (and t3) and testosterone came up IMMEDIATELY and estrogen dipped (weird combo but true). BTW, to me this happened due to Finasteride use.

But if you WERE making testosterone Post-cycle and haven't taken anything since then - my opinion - you haven't screwed it up for life (yet).

Just thought of this - add checking your cortisol level while you are at it - also an endo thingy... -- put DHEA levels on the list as well - wonder if you've jacked your adrenals??
 
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Hey you guys are truly great help. thanks for all the input. Robocop very useful info. I actually got my thyroid checked today and he was slightly hesitant because it seems I have a lot of tissue in that area which is giving him a hard time to see if anything is wrong with my thyroid. Well, I am going on monday to get blood work done early morning for lh fsh sex binding hormones and estrogen levels again for a more accurate early morning test. After he might give me an MRI to see the function of my pituitary. I hope all goes well. Thanks again guys and I will keep you posted as I get results.
 
Hey you guys are truly great help. thanks for all the input. Robocop very useful info. I actually got my thyroid checked today and he was slightly hesitant because it seems I have a lot of tissue in that area which is giving him a hard time to see if anything is wrong with my thyroid. Well, I am going on monday to get blood work done early morning for lh fsh sex binding hormones and estrogen levels again for a more accurate early morning test. After he might give me an MRI to see the function of my pituitary. I hope all goes well. Thanks again guys and I will keep you posted as I get results.

Tissue?? what the hell ? In front of the thyroid you have only skin and the infrahyoid muscles - which you must cut through when you operate. He was giving you a manual inspection to see if he can detect any nodules (tumors) on the thyroid (he won't call them tumors cause it scares people :) )

have your tsh, ft3 and ft4 levels checked - post results

Did you get a ultrasound done for your thyroid? If you have some hyperplastic nodules -- can you say "hypothyroidism" (no way you are hyper).

Best case :everything is outta-wack you are "lucky" (in a perverted way) - cause it means it's reversible.

Next best case : your thyroid is jacked - it reverses (sometimes) and most easily treatable long term (plus, worst case for thyroid is cancer - this no longer meets "best case" stds - but it doesn't spread and "no one" dies from it nowadays)

Next best case: FSH and LH levels are low and estrogen is high... hopefully they respond to treatment (kinda like first case).

Next best case: it stops being so good from here -- you've jacked your balls -- good luck -- testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) all your life
Next best case: you've jacked your pancreas - diabetes - possible pancreatic cancer - high cortisol - catabolic -

Next best case: (had to think if this is worse or better than pancreas) - pituitary tumor. Normally non-cancerous - sometimes IS cancerous. Functioning pituitary tumors cause overproduction of hormones - doesn't sound like you. If it's small and non-cancerous - they can remove through the nose. If worse - good luck.

Any eyesight problems ??? Balance problems?? family history?? that's sometimes an indication of pit probs - you didn't mention anything.

Anyway, from what you've mentioned, I vote for the first three possibilities and the best ones. Doubt pit-tumor, doubt you've fkd your pancreas so fast (young), and have a "feeling" your testes aren't damaged beyond repair.

But, numbers for thyroid, cortisol, DHEA (why not fasting insulin and sugar too?) and sex hormones before beginning. Check cortisol and rest of adrenal hormones.

ehhh, it's not a lost cause - there's a saying, if you're not dead it's reversible. Remember the hypo-pit-thyroid-pancreas-adrenals-gonads (or ovaries) are all linked together ... often times one jacked one leads to another going screwy (isn't that a nice way of putting it ?)

Your doc is giving you an MRI for pituitary? wow -- he's obviously suspecting a pit-tumor - but to get an MRI so fast without the other tests - does he know about your steroid use ?- I would almost guess he doesn't cause if he did he might go another route first (or maybe the damn insurance has some nr. of mri's per month he should give) ???

Any of those signs of balance/vision?? pit is right behind the eyes...
 
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Hey so I just got my new blood work back. Here are my levels:

Total Testosterone 271 ng/dL 200-810
Free Testosterone 4.9 pg/mL 8.8-27
DHEA 230 ug/dL 65-380
FSH 2.3 mIU/mL
LH 6.3 mIU/mL
IGF-1 414 ng/mL 116-358
Prolactin 12.9 ng/mL 4.8-23.3
Sex Horm Binding 17 nmol/L 14.5-48.4
Glob
Estradiol 29.2 pg/mL <56

It seems that my estrogen levels have went down since my last test done about a month ago. So the doctor says that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) should be my last resort. It is an option. I really want to avoid that approach. He wants to signal the testes with injections to stimulate the pituitary. I dont know if his option is hcg or something else he mentioned. He did mention another injection, but can not remember the name. I will mention what other injection it is when I find out. Through my tests he believe this is secondary rather a primary pituitary problem. So what do you guys think?
 
hey guys so it looks like the doctor wants to give me weekly injections of beta HCG for up to a total of 3 months. He believes this will help bring my natural test levels back up. What do you guys think?
 
It sounds permanent without a doubt.

Wrong you can run hcg then switch to igf-1 lr3 for a while and runf a full post cycle therapy an you should be ok after that.

Many have run very long cycle and fully recovered. at 21 years old it just time. The igf will speed the process. The HCG will get you testicles back to nice functioning size a ready to product testosterone.
 
Glad to see U on top of things DPR?? Never said it was permanent, said it sounds like it to me, also stated I was no doctor either. Also, U "Should" be o.k. or U "Will" be o.k. or is it a 50/50 chance he will be o.k.??
 
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