Hi all, I'm new at this. Need some advice please.

[bigben66]

I'm a firm believer that every cycle one runs takes a bit out of them putting the user closer to TRT with every use.
10 weeks is nothing. Stuff kicks in after 4 months.
10 week cycles are usually run by inexperienced people.
Takes a longer time than 10 weeks to build a decent amount of muscle mass.

I'd sure like you to back this up with stats Apollon, I think you are fond of making' facts' with no substance behind them...
I know many people that run 2 or 3 cycles per year and give themselves more than adequate time off in between. When they are tested, their HPTA has returned to it's original state.

So if you have the actual stats and proof - bring them to the table brother.

 

[Alpin]

I'd sure like you to back this up with stats Apollon, I think you are fond of making' facts' with no substance behind them...
I know many people that run 2 or 3 cycles per year and give themselves more than adequate time off in between. When they are tested, their HPTA has returned to it's original state.

So if you have the actual stats and proof - bring them to the table brother.

There are 12 months in a year. If they run 3 cycles in a year...
I don't see where the time frame allows for an "adequate" time off in between each cycle?
Would you like to add the missing info into this equation?

 

[Alpin]

BIGBEN

Would you agree that when your network of friends got tested to see where their HPTA was...that they may very well have been on PCT meds at the time?
Is that a fair statement?

 

[Megatron28]

There are 12 months in a year. If they run 3 cycles in a year...
I don't see where the time frame allows for an "adequate" time off in between each cycle?
Would you like to add the missing info into this equation?

Many guys run short cycles using Test Prop and sometimes an oral. Perhaps 6 weeks in duration. This is an example of how you could run three cycles in a year.

 

[Alpin]

Many guys run short cycles using Test Prop and sometimes an oral. Perhaps 6 weeks in duration. This is an example of how you could run three cycles in a year.

I never asked you. I'm actually done debating with you.
It was a healthy debate. So just leave it at that.
Big Ben holds the answers here. You cant hypothesize what duration or type cycles those ppl he mentioned used.
How could you after all. You're in America he's in the UK. You never met them face to face.

 

[Megatron28]

I never asked you. I'm actually done debating with you.
It was a healthy debate. So just leave it at that.
Big Ben holds the answers here. You cant hypothesize what duration or type cycles those ppl he mentioned used.
How could you after all. You're in America he's in the UK. You never met them face to face.

What? That makes no sense at all.

 

[Alpin]

What? That makes no sense at all.

Didn't Big ben say he "knows many people who run 2-3 cycles a year" ?
What don't you understand?

 

[bigben66]

Correct, my friends run 6-8 week cycles throughout the year on shorter estered gear... this allows for more than enough time off between cycles to obtain a correct natural HPTA reading.

I myself only used to cycle once a year but for a longer duration.... after three years of cycling, my reading (long after PCT) was where it was before I started dabbling with gear.

Still awaiting your proof of your claims here Apollon

 

[Megatron28]

Didn't Big ben say he "knows many people who run 2-3 cycles a year" ?
What don't you understand?

It makes no sense for you to say I cannot form a hypothesis about something or provide a scenario. Just because I do not live in the UK and know said individuals? Yet somehow Ben confirmed that I was in fact able to come up with a valid hypothesis fairly well.

 

[Alpin]

Correct, my friends run 6-8 week cycles throughout the year on shorter estered gear... this allows for more than enough time off between cycles to obtain a correct natural HPTA reading.

I myself only used to cycle once a year but for a longer duration.... after three years of cycling, my reading (long after PCT) was where it was before I started dabbling with gear.

Still awaiting your proof of your claims here Apollon

Then why are you on TRT if you recovered so well off each cycle?
Looking at your posts in the past in the TRT section your Testosterone levels were pretty low with sub optimal pituitary function.

 

[bigben66]

Then why are you on TRT if you recovered so well off each cycle?
Looking at your posts in the past in the TRT section your Testosterone levels were pretty low with sub optimal pituitary function.

You're quite correct, I've suffered with low T for quite sometime... but I still rebounded to the same low level after every cycle...

STILL waiting for this evidence Apollon...

Can I suggest you stop asking silly pointless questions and throw your proof on the table

 

[Alpin]

You're quite correct, I've suffered with low T for quite sometime... but I still rebounded to the same low level after every cycle...

STILL waiting for this evidence Apollon...

Can I suggest you stop asking silly pointless questions and throw your proof on the table

I lost interest. Sorry no more debate.
we all went off topic hijacking the OP's thread.