High Tren Low Test

[intenselifter]

The results: First few weeks of the cycle were comparable to running any other cycle, since I was using longer esters, didnt really 'feel' (based on sides), until week 4, gains were pretty consistent after that, strength was good, with little fat gain (training and diet is always my strong point), recovery was great, with high cals and all the ancilliaries to aide.

So for simplicity sake, I shall do the following (and as a way to try tren higher than test):

Test-e at 250mg for 12 weeks
Test-p at 50mg EOD for the first 3 weeks
and the last two weeks until post cycle therapy (pct)
Tren-e at 600mg for 12 weeks
Tren-A at 75mg EOD for the first 3 weeks.

How does that sound?

Only problem with the cycle is that 2 weeks after your last pin of tren there still may be enough left in your system to keep you shut down making post cycle therapy (pct) difficult. Tren is 3x as suppressive as test mg for mg, so even small amounts can affect recovery. Id wait 18 days after your last pin of tren to be safe. Or switch to tren ace for the last week of the cycle so the tren enanthate has a bit more time to clear.

What's the point of running the test prop at the end of the cycle??

So that he has some test in his system while he's wating for the longer esters to clear.

Your still gonna have your reg dose of test E in you for those two weeks and your just spiking it with the prop I understand at the beginning because it takes time for the esters to build

His "reg dose" of test e will be steadily declining during those 2 weeks. He's not spiking his levels with such a small amont of prop anyways. The purpose of test in this cycle is mainly to maintain libido. 250mg isn't gunna provide much of an anabolic effect. Thats where the stronger compound tren comes in.

 

[deep80]

As stated previously, there are way too many opinions floating around. Self claimed experts, but rarely people who have experiential input. So for the sake of simplicity, unless someone can conclusively with solid evidence state otherwise, I shall stick to:

Week 1 - 12: Test-E at 250mg/w (125mg x2)
Week 1 - 3: Test-Prop at 50mg EOD
Week 12 - pct: Test-Prop at 50mg EOD

Week 1 - 12: Tren-E at 600mg/w (300mg x2)
Week 1 - 3: Tren-A at 75mg EOD

 

[ZWhit]

I can understand you maybe kickstarting the cycle with the fast esters if you don't like orals (which I don't really understand). But I've tried the prop at the end of the cycle while the other esters clear and I didn't like it. But 50mg eod is a waste, just save it for another cycle.

I felt like my levels were all over the place. If you're worried about the tren causing problems at the end of your cycle, why don't you just run the Test a week or two longer to give the tren time to clear? That would keep your levels more stable and simplify the cycle somewhat. Just because you have the gear from last cycle doesn't mean you have to use it.

 

[ZWhit]

You probably don't really care but this is how I'd run the cycle (and probably most other juicers):

Leaving the doses out
Test week 1-12
Tren week 1-12 (11 if you want it to clear before the test)
Oral of your choice week 1-4 or 5

Simple

 

[Cobra Strike]

That cycle looks better than adjusting your dosages during the cycle. I hate orals as well so i think kickstarting with fast esters is perfectly fine. I also don't have an issue with switching to a fast esters at the end so you don't have to wait 2 weeks to start pct but u do have to run the fast esters long enough for the longer esters to clear out

Everyone else....you don't have to stop tren e earlier then test e....they are both enanthate and they both cleave at the same rate....now the right way to put it is that you can run the test longer then the tren to let your body recover from the shock of a 19nor and make your pct easier since it is a lot easier to recover from test then tren

Op....how long do you plan on running the prop for after the tren and test e have stopped?

 

[deep80]

Running the test-e a week longer was my original plan, but if you read the previous replies, some suggested not to. So, I think it really boils down to the END of the cycle, and how best to approach that.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Deep....did u read my last post? Wondering what your answer is

 

[ZWhit]

That cycle looks better than adjusting your dosages during the cycle. I hate orals as well so i think kickstarting with fast esters is perfectly fine. I also don't have an issue with switching to a fast esters at the end so you don't have to wait 2 weeks to start pct but u do have to run the fast esters long enough for the longer esters to clear out

Everyone else....you don't have to stop tren e earlier then test e....they are both enanthate and they both cleave at the same rate....now the right way to put it is that you can run the test longer then the tren to let your body recover from the shock of a 19nor and make your pct easier since it is a lot easier to recover from test then tren

Op....how long do you plan on running the prop for after the tren and test e have stopped?

Right, but since he's running the tren a good bit higher than test, the test levels will drop low enough to provide no benefits while there's still enough tren in his system to really mess him up downstairs for a while.

I'd run the test a little longer just to be safe, if it was me.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Right, but since he's running the tren a good bit higher than test, the test levels will drop low enough to provide no benefits while there's still enough tren in his system to really mess him up downstairs for a while.

I'd run the test a little longer just to be safe, if it was me.

What are you even talking about? First of all he is running the tren a for the first 3 weeks...second tren is more androgenic then test which should actually make him hornier....tren doesn't mess with test levels bro....stick around a bit and do some more research

 

[ZWhit]

What are you even talking about?

Let me explain it for ya bro. Half life is enanthate esters let's just say is 10 days for simplicity. If he runs 300 test w/600 tren e and stops both tren and test the same day, 10 days later he's got 150mg test and 300mg tren in his system. 10 more days later 75mg test and 150mgs tren left. More potential for problems with ya dick. Pretty simple shit. I'd rather let the tren clear first and not worry about it.

You're not the only one who knows shit about AAS bruh

 

[Cobra Strike]

What are you even talking about?

Let me explain it for ya bro. Half life is enanthate esters let's just say is 10 days for simplicity. If he runs 300 test w/600 tren e and stops both tren and test the same day, 10 days later he's got 150mg test and 300mg tren in his system. 10 more days later 75mg test and 150mgs tren left. More potential for problems with ya dick. Pretty simple shit. I'd rather let the tren clear first and not worry about it.

You're not the only one who knows shit about AAS






Ok I'm gonna try and not be a Dick like you. First warning...the use of the word bruh or BRAH denotes dousche baggery. Second you make a good point that i over looked but what I was looking at was him running prop after the e esters were stopped. Now if you would pay attention to what's going on in this thread you would have already noticed that he and I both agree with using test longer....hence my question of how long he was planning on running the p for. Also tren has a small chance of fukin with the cock...like i said its more androgenic then test and if you can't understand that then google.....

Last but not least....if you want to flame me, or any other respected member here, I will do my best to make your stay here very difficult.

 

[deep80]

Appreciate all your suggestions. My only concern right now is the last two weeks or so at the end. Would it be wise to maintain test levels with prop until post cycle therapy (pct), giving enough time for the tren to clear and maintaining a min level of test. Or, an ending the tren a week sooner?

 

[ZWhit]

What are you even talking about?

Let me explain it for ya bro. Half life is enanthate esters let's just say is 10 days for simplicity. If he runs 300 test w/600 tren e and stops both tren and test the same day, 10 days later he's got 150mg test and 300mg tren in his system. 10 more days later 75mg test and 150mgs tren left. More potential for problems with ya dick. Pretty simple shit. I'd rather let the tren clear first and not worry about it.

You're not the only one who knows shit about AAS






Ok I'm gonna try and not be a Dick like you. First warning...the use of the word bruh or BRAH denotes dousche baggery. Second you make a good point that i over looked but what I was looking at was him running prop after the e esters were stopped. Now if you would pay attention to what's going on in this thread you would have already noticed that he and I both agree with using test longer....hence my question of how long he was planning on running the p for. Also tren has a small chance of fukin with the cock...like i said its more androgenic then test and if you can't understand that then google.....

Last but not least....if you want to flame me, or any other respected member here, I will do my best to make your stay here very difficult.

You're the one who started with the BS, asking me what I was even talking about. Like you thought I didnt know what I was talking about because of my post count. If it wasn't your intention, my apologies. It's just the way it came across.

 

[Cobra Strike]

You're the one who started with the BS, asking me what I was even talking about. Like you thought I didnt know what I was talking about because of my post count. If it wasn't your intention, my apologies. It's just the way it came across.

the only thing I said was what are you talking about? meaning explain your previous post because From your previos post you were talking about tren a which did not match up with your next post about ester dosage cleavage...

its no big deal and your post count doesnt matter....but since your new it would be best to take the attitude of neutral instead of flaming a member that is established here...no big deal or hard feelings...you made a good point and I will leave it at that


op....I would run the prop for atleast 2 weeks after you stop your e esters

 

[ZWhit]

I never said anything about tren a unless it was a typo. But its not a big deal anyway like you said.

 

[deep80]

Week 1 - 12: Test-E at 250mg/w
Week 1 - 3: Test-Prop at 50mg EOD
and 5 days after last test-e pin
for two weeks(?)

Week 1 - 12: Tren-E at 600mg/w
Week 1 - 3: Tren-A at 75mg EOD

 

[deep80]

bumping this for anymore input?

 

[deep80]

bump again

 

[ZWhit]

Bro, I don't understand what you're trying to achieve by running the test prop at 50mg eod at the beginning and end. 50mg eod works out to 175mg/week. That's not really enough to do anything at all, IMO. It sounds to me like you're just trying to use up the gear?

That's one way to get rid of it, I guess. I'd use it at a higher dosage just in the beginning, while the other test is building up, if you want a kickstart. But 50mg eod at the beginning and end would be like a waste to me.

 

[Cobra Strike]

I agree with zwhit that 50mg eod isn't enough....I dont think running prop at the end is a waste though....imo, if your gonna do it, you should run it at 100-150mg eod for 2 to 3 weeks after your last test/tren shot