HOLY SMOKES!!! MY liver is messed up!

MassiveMat said:
Thirdly, since i stopped he told me i didnt need post cycle therapy (pct) and i would go back to normal naturally in few months. This guy is a professional and he has experience, he is cut throat and say how it is.

Your doctor is also a very misinformed idiot !!


Sure your HPTA should eventually return to normal, but in the meantime you can kiss all your gains goodbye, not to mention feeling like shit from the crash.
 
MassiveMat said:
First. I did do my research I even spoke to a doctor that caters to buildingbuilders and I knew it was a 17aa drug. Secondly, my doctor told me that it was a mild drug and if i went on test it be worse in terms of sideeffects. Thirdly, since i stopped he told me i didnt need post cycle therapy (pct) and i would go back to normal naturally in few months. This guy is a professional and he has experience, he is cut throat and say how it is.


wow

if he put you on a 17aa oral, he should have mentioned liver protectants, and ordered bloodwork to see where your liver values were WAY before they got to where they are now.

if steroids werent illegal, i would strongly consider a lawsuit
 
Acutally, maybe its still too soon to tell,...but i feel better than ever.
Also, this is my first cycle tooo and yes ive learned that juice isnt for me and thats it. But im not blaming it on the drugs.
 
daan69 said:
wow

if he put you on a 17aa oral, he should have mentioned liver protectants, and ordered bloodwork to see where your liver values were WAY before they got to where they are now.

if steroids werent illegal, i would strongly consider a lawsuit

Read above.. its injectable and i had blood work done before i started. I was taking 1 CC every other day
 
1cc being 50mg EOD? Since most people run 50-150mg a day, I'd count yourself lucky.

Mild drug my ass, sounds like your doctor is a self proclaimed expert who barely has half an idea what he is doing.
 
the Lion said:
suma root is the best thing you can take for you liver it will totaly regenerate your liver injust a little over a month 2 grams a day ......Great stuff

Interesting stuff Lion. I read a little bit about it since you've posted. I am NOT too convinced that it has the great potential you've claimed but I could be wrong. It DOES however seem like a decent product.

Here's a brief description:

What is Suma Root?

Suma Root is a large, shrubby ground vine that is found primarily in the Amazon basin (Brazil, Ecuador, Paraguay, Peru etc). Suma Root comes from the plant family Amaranthaceae and is also known around the world as Brazilian ginseng, Pfaffia and Para Toda.

Suma has a deep root system, which has medical properties due to the large variety of constituents; it contains Pfaffic acid (which is know to inhibit cancer), Saponins, Pterosterone and glycosides. Suma also contains two plant hormones called sitosterol and stipmasterol that are beneficial to metabolism by increasing heart circulation and decreasing cholesterol levels. Suma also enhances production of estrogen and contains a large number of amino acids, iron, magnesium, zinc and vitamins A, B1, B2, E and K.

What are the uses and benefits of Suma root?
Summa root has a number of different and varied uses. Along with it traditional uses as an analgesic and anti-inflammatory it is also being used to inhibit tumour growth. The list below gives an indication of the range of uses that Summa root is being applied to:

Treatment of Anemia
As an appetite stimulant
Treatment of Arthritis
As an anti-inflammatory
As an ant microbial
As an antioxidant
Treatment of asthma
Treatment of cancer
Treatment of chronic fatigue syndrome
Help circulation
Treatment of diabetes,
Treatment of rheumatism,
Skin problems
Relieve stress
Treatment of ulcers
Treatment of Arteriosclerosis and bronchitis
Treatment of Chronic fatigue syndrome
What is the right dosage of Suma Root to use?
Suma root is available commercially as a dietary supplement in extract and capsule forms. When taking as an extract the recommended dosage is 1-2ml (28-56 drops) 2-3 times per day. If using Suma root capsule take 2 to 3 capsules, 3 times per day.

What are the side effects of Suma Root?
Not much is known about the side effects of Suma Root, however it does contain Saponins that have been found to cause nausea when taken in excessive quantities. Inhalation of Suma dust has been known to trigger asthma and the safety of Suma Root has not been established for use during pregnancy or breast-feeding and people should consult their doctor if taking Suma when pregnant.
 
I have said this numerous times, winstrol is the harshest drug that people use without worrying about it. People are always a little cautious with drol, halo, but no one every worries about running 100mg of Winstrol (winny) a day. It will fuck your hdl over, and from talking to some people has the same hepatoxicity as dbol mg for mg. And people seem to run much more Winstrol (winny), and for longer.
 
gotta jump in here as part of the chorus on winstrol...when i started using 10 years ago, i had limited info and listened to other lifters i trusted..t.hey, too said Winstrol (winny) was mild, no bloat, good strength, etc...well, it knocked my hdl cholesterol values into the single digits!!! i used it twice and had hoffific joint pain both times...the second time, i ended up with a double quad tendon tear that took a year to come back from fully, like the jp fux injury...no more Winstrol (winny) ever for me or anyone who consults me for advice...test has always done me right with minimal, controllable sides...hell, i think tren is less dangerous than winstrol when used properly....
 
Mudge said:
1cc being 50mg EOD? Since most people run 50-150mg a day, I'd count yourself lucky.

Mild drug my ass, sounds like your doctor is a self proclaimed expert who barely has half an idea what he is doing.


Actually he is an expert. This doctor is not an ordinary doctor. he is a professional who been doing studies on steriods for years. His results even get published, so its safe to say that he does know more than most.
 
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Well then I'm sorry that your 'expert doctor' lied to you.

I have found Suma Root at Swansons for 100x500mg for under $7, they recommend taking 4.5 grams a day, 3 caps 3x daily.
 
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MassiveMat said:
Actually he is an expert. This doctor is not an ordinary doctor. he is a professional who been doing studies on steriods for years. His results even get published, so its safe to say that he does know more than most.


What is his name, and where are the studies, i would like to read them. I am being serious.
 
Sorry to hear that - if nothing else, at least you learned your liver may be sensitive and so can take care of it/look out for it and be better off long term for that knowledge. BTW tons of regularly-prescribed and OTC things are hard on the liver.. good time to start reading up online and the details of package inserts... and to get your liver enzymes tested regularly.
 
I take lecithin for my cholesterol. I have some 500mg FF niacin tabs at home, but at 1g+ it supposedly places a strain on the liver (only you can find out how much) so I dont use it much.
 
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