how can i maximize my cycle's efficency

Nok

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i am 6'3" and about 190lbs. 24 years old. about to start a Test E cycle *7500mg total for 12 weeks*

i currently hit the gym 5 days a week. but with a kind of free-style routine. sometimes doing certain body parts more than once in 7 days, sometimes skipping others completely.

i dont want to waste this cycle and i need help i guess figuring out what i can do to get the most out of it. my goal is to put on 25 lbs at the least. i plan to eat 4000cals a day, combined with plenty of sleep.

i feel like an on-cycle workout routine would be different than one for off-cycle? am i mistaken? should i be pushing myself even harder than normal trying to get extreme hypertrophy? low number of sets, with much higher rep numbers??




im lost someone help plz thank you
 
u should ALWAYS be hitting every body part once a week if time is the reason ur not then do wat i do a workout split. i work out 3 days a week with 3 days apart. i do shoulderz and arms one day for an hour, legs and calves, lastly chest and back with either one shoulder exercise for 3 or 4 sets or one good bicep and tricep exercise 4 sets because when doing chest the secondary muscle is your tricep and u get a little shoulder workout there as well and doing back the secondary muscle is the biceps.
 
sleep and diet train hard more rep more sets more more ;)
no offense but doing too many sets isnt gonna help him itll hurt him itll mke an injury possible wen i 1st started out i did as much sets and reps as i could doing ARMS and sum shit SNAPPED in my leg so loud and so painful i looked around the gym to see if anybody heard it but doing that after almost yelling out in PAIN!!!! Aw yea n most of all doin too many sets is gonna make u LOSE MUSCLE it kinda defeats the purpose huh lol and its called overtraining look it up if u don't believe me n see how many sets your SUPPOSED to be doing on every bodypart -chest Back Shoulders Arms Legs . i knw its gonna b weird at 1st but just up the weight to where u can only get 8-10 reps that goes for arms too. i bet in just a few weeks you'll see improvements : )
 
based on your post you are not ready for gear my friend. you don't have your training dialed in which leads me to believe you have not been training that long to begin with. then you speak of increasing your cals to 4000. why haven't you done this already? food is the most anabolic thing there is. get your training straight and increase cals to 4000 before cycle and i bet you put on 5 pounds in a month. also i hope you know coming off cycle you will need to maintain this surplus of calories or else you will lose all gains. this is a common mistake. guys get on cycle and bust their ass including eating a great diet, only to come off and eat like shit again and lose all motivation in the gym. well guess what, your 20 hard earned pounds of lean mass is gone and you look worse than you did before you started.

alright alright, enough with the father to son, you're not going to listen anyways. so i'll give you some advice.
A) you do not increase intensity on cycle..... YOU SHOULD'VE ALREADY BEEN GIVING IT 100%! so how the fuck could you increase it?
B) anabolic steroids may help some with recovery, but not that much. give it all you got in the gym, and whether on cycle or not, diet and rest is 90% of this game.
C) stick to your main compound lifts. here's what i want you to do. do this routine for atleast 4 weeks before starting this cycle, PLEASE. if you take nothing else from here, atleast listen to this.
you're going to lift 4 days a week. we'll use mon/wed/fri/sat as your template.
now it doesn't matter what order you put your lifts in for mon/wed/fri, but i suggest back on mon, legs on wed, chest on fri.
so if monday is back, you are going to deadlift. from the floor, conventional or sumo, no straps, chalk and belt is ok. then you will pick one horizontal row and one vertical (obviously a pullup. fuck the lat pulldown).
wednesday is legs. you will begin with jump squats to warm up, maybe some bodyweight lunges. either front squats or back squats as your main exercise, i recommend front squats. follow this up with glute ham raises for your hams, calve raises and some hip thrusts.
friday is chest. after warming up with some dynamic pushups and some light rotator cuff work on the pulley machines, your first exercise will be standing barbell overhead press. not push press, overhead press. next is bench. your bench will be weaker than normal after going heavy on OHP, this is fine. if you want to do some flies, feel free. no tricep work what so ever. trust me, they should be smoked by now.
now for saturday, you will be doing GPP, or general physical preparedness.
on this day i like to start with oly lifts after warming up. this really fires up your CNS and hang cleans or regular cleans build a monster fuckin yoke. i used to do these on back day but the work became too much. this is why we do back on monday to give us adequate time before smoking our upper back with cleans. also do snatches. trust me you're gonna want to go light. you will also be doing strongman lifts on these day, overhead carries, bear hug carries, farmers walks, push your car, whatever. now at the end of the 4 weeks you will know where you are weak in your lifts. lets say on deadlifts your hams are the weak link. now you know what you assistance exercises need to be. that's what assistance exercises are there for. not just shit randomly picked to pass time in the gym and get a "pump". come back and let me know how it goes in four weeks. by this time you'll be able to really dial in your training then start the gear and whatch the scale skyrocket.
 
based on your post you are not ready for gear my friend. you don't have your training dialed in which leads me to believe you have not been training that long to begin with. then you speak of increasing your cals to 4000. why haven't you done this already? food is the most anabolic thing there is. get your training straight and increase cals to 4000 before cycle and i bet you put on 5 pounds in a month. also i hope you know coming off cycle you will need to maintain this surplus of calories or else you will lose all gains. this is a common mistake. guys get on cycle and bust their ass including eating a great diet, only to come off and eat like shit again and lose all motivation in the gym. well guess what, your 20 hard earned pounds of lean mass is gone and you look worse than you did before you started.

alright alright, enough with the father to son, you're not going to listen anyways. so i'll give you some advice.
A) you do not increase intensity on cycle..... YOU SHOULD'VE ALREADY BEEN GIVING IT 100%! so how the fuck could you increase it?
B) anabolic steroids may help some with recovery, but not that much. give it all you got in the gym, and whether on cycle or not, diet and rest is 90% of this game.
C) stick to your main compound lifts. here's what i want you to do. do this routine for atleast 4 weeks before starting this cycle, PLEASE. if you take nothing else from here, atleast listen to this.
you're going to lift 4 days a week. we'll use mon/wed/fri/sat as your template.
now it doesn't matter what order you put your lifts in for mon/wed/fri, but i suggest back on mon, legs on wed, chest on fri.
so if monday is back, you are going to deadlift. from the floor, conventional or sumo, no straps, chalk and belt is ok. then you will pick one horizontal row and one vertical (obviously a pullup. fuck the lat pulldown).
wednesday is legs. you will begin with jump squats to warm up, maybe some bodyweight lunges. either front squats or back squats as your main exercise, i recommend front squats. follow this up with glute ham raises for your hams, calve raises and some hip thrusts.
friday is chest. after warming up with some dynamic pushups and some light rotator cuff work on the pulley machines, your first exercise will be standing barbell overhead press. not push press, overhead press. next is bench. your bench will be weaker than normal after going heavy on OHP, this is fine. if you want to do some flies, feel free. no tricep work what so ever. trust me, they should be smoked by now.
now for saturday, you will be doing GPP, or general physical preparedness.
on this day i like to start with oly lifts after warming up. this really fires up your CNS and hang cleans or regular cleans build a monster fuckin yoke. i used to do these on back day but the work became too much. this is why we do back on monday to give us adequate time before smoking our upper back with cleans. also do snatches. trust me you're gonna want to go light. you will also be doing strongman lifts on these day, overhead carries, bear hug carries, farmers walks, push your car, whatever. now at the end of the 4 weeks you will know where you are weak in your lifts. lets say on deadlifts your hams are the weak link. now you know what you assistance exercises need to be. that's what assistance exercises are there for. not just shit randomly picked to pass time in the gym and get a "pump". come back and let me know how it goes in four weeks. by this time you'll be able to really dial in your training then start the gear and whatch the scale skyrocket.

i havent been eating 4000 calories up to this point because honestly i havent had the money to. i'm pulling in cash now and i have ordered a mass gainer, 1250 calories/serving. i will supplement one when waking up and one before bed, otherwise i have little time to eat. so finances and time restrictions are why i havent been dieting 'correctly' up to this point..

as for giving it 110% in the gym, i think you missunderstood what i was asking. i infact give 112% in the gym as it is, my question was more along the lines of is severe-hypertrophy possible while on steroids or is it okay to push myself beyond the threshold that i would normally refrain from crossing due to accident/injury prevention.. also my question was if there was any benefit to lower weights and higher reps while juicing or should i stick with as heavy as possible and continue to lift heavy...


thank you for the novel but maybe you should read before you write.
 
u should ALWAYS be hitting every body part once a week if time is the reason ur not then do wat i do a workout split. i work out 3 days a week with 3 days apart. i do shoulderz and arms one day for an hour, legs and calves, lastly chest and back with either one shoulder exercise for 3 or 4 sets or one good bicep and tricep exercise 4 sets because when doing chest the secondary muscle is your tricep and u get a little shoulder workout there as well and doing back the secondary muscle is the biceps.

honestly sometimes i just dont feel like doing legs. i ride my bike to work, which is 3 miles. so that is 6 miles a day that i am riding a bicycle, one way is all uphill so atleast the way back is downhill but i'm not sure if i could risk my legs being out of commission right now due to a hard leg workout. i have no other ride to work :/ so this is my leg workout currently.

i am starting to lean towards a split however, my only problem is i would like to hit each muscle twice a week. rather than once, with the split i would do chest/tri's on monday but i would be completely recovered by thursday night and would want to do them again... what do you think??
 
i havent been eating 4000 calories up to this point because honestly i havent had the money to. i'm pulling in cash now and i have ordered a mass gainer, 1250 calories/serving. i will supplement one when waking up and one before bed, otherwise i have little time to eat. so finances and time restrictions are why i havent been dieting 'correctly' up to this point..

as for giving it 110% in the gym, i think you missunderstood what i was asking. i infact give 112% in the gym as it is, my question was more along the lines of is severe-hypertrophy possible while on steroids or is it okay to push myself beyond the threshold that i would normally refrain from crossing due to accident/injury prevention.. also my question was if there was any benefit to lower weights and higher reps while juicing or should i stick with as heavy as possible and continue to lift heavy...


thank you for the novel but maybe you should read before you write.

i read your question, and no, that's not what you asked at all. why don't you re read your own question. you also never said you give it 100%, you said should i be pushing myself harder than usual which looks to me like you are not giving it 100%. can't afford to eat 4000 calories a day? i can eat 4000 calories a day off 7 dollars or less. mass gainer? no thanks. but keep coming up with excuses if it makes you feel better. and lower number of weights with more reps? no you said lower number of sets with more reps.

In reply to chipmunk you say you sometimes just don't feel like doing legs. you sound like you have a good hard work ethic and everything figured out. hell i don't know why you even came on these boards asking a question in the first place.
and you're welcome for the novel. i like to come home on my lunch break from working a 10 hour workday in the marine corps the day before i go out on a field op and type shit up just for fun. i don't think i'm going to be taking my time to try and help anyone on these boards anymore. come tell me how much progress you made after your bullshit little cycle training your mirror muscles every 3 goddamn days.
 
i read your question, and no, that's not what you asked at all. Why don't you re read your own question. You also never said you give it 100%, you said should i be pushing myself harder than usual which looks to me like you are not giving it 100%. Can't afford to eat 4000 calories a day? I can eat 4000 calories a day off 7 dollars or less. Mass gainer? No thanks. But keep coming up with excuses if it makes you feel better. And lower number of weights with more reps? No you said lower number of sets with more reps.

In reply to chipmunk you say you sometimes just don't feel like doing legs. You sound like you have a good hard work ethic and everything figured out. Hell i don't know why you even came on these boards asking a question in the first place.
And you're welcome for the novel. I like to come home on my lunch break from working a 10 hour workday in the marine corps the day before i go out on a field op and type shit up just for fun. I don't think i'm going to be taking my time to try and help anyone on these boards anymore. Come tell me how much progress you made after your bullshit little cycle training your mirror muscles every 3 goddamn days.

hooah
 
i havent been eating 4000 calories up to this point because honestly i havent had the money to. i'm pulling in cash now and i have ordered a mass gainer, 1250 calories/serving. i will supplement one when waking up and one before bed, otherwise i have little time to eat. so finances and time restrictions are why i havent been dieting 'correctly' up to this point..

as for giving it 110% in the gym, i think you missunderstood what i was asking. i infact give 112% in the gym as it is, my question was more along the lines of is severe-hypertrophy possible while on steroids or is it okay to push myself beyond the threshold that i would normally refrain from crossing due to accident/injury prevention.. also my question was if there was any benefit to lower weights and higher reps while juicing or should i stick with as heavy as possible and continue to lift heavy...


thank you for the novel but maybe you should read before you write.

im guessing serious mass weighht gainer huh?
 
honestly sometimes i just dont feel like doing legs. i ride my bike to work, which is 3 miles. so that is 6 miles a day that i am riding a bicycle, one way is all uphill so atleast the way back is downhill but i'm not sure if i could risk my legs being out of commission right now due to a hard leg workout. i have no other ride to work :/ so this is my leg workout currently.

i am starting to lean towards a split however, my only problem is i would like to hit each muscle twice a week. rather than once, with the split i would do chest/tri's on monday but i would be completely recovered by thursday night and would want to do them again... what do you think??

i can relate to u im 6'3 and i bet your metabolism is kinda fast too huh? wen it comes to gaining muscle less is more not to mention chances are your bodypart wouldnt b able to heal so fast after a good workout revovery dosent stop when u stop hurting it goes longer. but hey try it for a month if it dosent work up your weight and try my once a week thing. and i knw u knt help but to ride your bike to work but think of marathon runners do they have flex wheeler or jay cutler legs no. its up to u when your ready to really grow you'll start training legs doing squats and deadlifts if im not mistaken puts your body into an anabolic state youll b able to gain more muscle and pack on the weight
 
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