Hrt/Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) newbies.... Please read

[THE-DET-OAK]

This is a discussion board, if you cant handle some debate then dont post.................

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

this is getting ridiculous guys. I don't care if you are competitors or not. This makes both companies look like shit.

Why does this have to be on the open forum? That's not professional at all. Not saying either one of you are right or wrong or whatever. The open forum is not theplace for this talk IMO.

RJ im sick of the competitor shit-that is not what this is about............I know Chip wants to make it about that but its not.................Its about him slamming what i said and me telling it like it is period...................thats it............nothing to do with anythoing else................i would have reacted the same way in the anabolic forum

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Everyone wants to act like we cant discuss or have debate with a sponsor...............well that sir is bullshit.....................

 

[RJ]

RJ im sick of the competitor shit-that is not what this is about............I know Chip wants to make it about that but its not.................Its about him slamming what i said and me telling it like it is period...................thats it............nothing to do with anythoing else................i would have reacted the same way in the anabolic forum

you know i appreciate your candor, as do i appreciate Chips.

Whatever its about, i'm just suggesting an agreement is reached whether it be a simple beef or not cause it compromises the integrity of this forum. Which is what we DON"T want to happen.

Again, i agree that debate is good. Thats what were here for. Just saying.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I know RJ and thats all I was trying to do, bring up some valid points that could help this guy, not try and stir up shit or make anyone look bad.

Then all the sudden people have to start throwing around names and bringing up dead beef. I have no beef except for the lb of tacos im about to eat.

 

[RJ]

why can't we all just get along.

 

[RJ]

ok, lets get back to the guys labs for a minute while everyone smokes a cigarette.

At 200mg/w doesn't his test level seem a little low or is it just me? I'm at nearly 700 with half that. I don't know why that didn't strike me as odd earlier.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

ok, lets get back to the guys labs for a minute while everyone smokes a cigarette.

At 200mg/w doesn't his test level seem a little low or is it just me? I'm at nearly 700 with half that. I don't know why that didn't strike me as odd earlier.

thats all im saying RJ-he should be able to hit those numbers with 150mg. He is aromatizing so much and so fast he is wasting his test.

A very common side effect of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is thyroid issues. Since thyoid hormones are responsible for your natural aromatase inhibition it is very possible he needs to get that checked.

Or he is simply taking too much for him.

It doesnt have to be these 2 things but something is up.

Another thing i noticed is he did his labs 3 days after T inject-when did you do yours 5-7 days? and still came back at 6-700?

that is where you want your trough, 6-700

here is a very simple way to give you an idea if hypothyroidism may be the culprit. this is not foolproof but will give you an idea if its worth getting it checked.

Home Detection of Hypothyroidism:The Barnes Basal Temperature Test can help you determine if you are low in thyroid hormone.

1.Shake down an oral thermometer and place it next to your bed before going to sleep.
2.As soon as you awake, place the thermometer under your armpit and leave it there for 10 minutes before getting up.
3.Record the temperature. If it is below normal rising temperature (97.8 to 98.2 F) for two consecutive days, you are very likely to be hypothyroid. (Menstruating women should wait until after the first day of their period before taking this test.)
If you are low according to the Barnes test, have your doctor conduct a TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) blood test. While thyroid supplements may be available from health food stores, we advise that you do not treat yourself. Too much TH can be just detrimental as too little. Hormones are serious medicine and their replacement should be done under the supervision of a physician.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

THE DET-OAK.... I have to answer you in two separate posts in order to feel that I have properly addressed you, sir. In one large part, I will take responsibility for the situation steamrolling out of control due to heightened estrogen buildup after I read your post and decided not to follow through with my 2mg administration of Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I saw that this individual directly asked ME a question, then you responded as THE DET-OAK, and told him YOU could help him more blah, blah, blah. My heightened sensitivity, due to recent estrogen build up made me feel that you were trying to upstage me. I would have had more respect if you jumped in as CENTURION, if IN FACT YOU were really trying to help this person. We are not stupid here. You are no rookie when it comes to manipulating the boards. (I here you can hoop too.. seriously). Now a legitimate question I pose is this... wait, first, I WANNA SAY YOU. Ok. Now, do we even have enough information about this guy to be doing battle? What if this individual was morbidly obese and has GROSS amounts of estrogen that need to be flushed from his body due to years of build up? And the only way to rid the body of this is to suppress Aromatase until his body flushes out as much as possible, while at the same time he would like to have the function of his SACK and the ability to blow loads. Not trying to spark further debate, but I remember when I was a FAT PIG. And I take great care in only using that term toward my former self. But my situation required going outside the realm of "conventional" thinking. TRUE STORY. There was a point that my stomach hung down so far that I could only see SEVEN INCHES of cock. Those were terrible times. I guess I could go on and on, and there is so much I want to say, but SNIGG is hooking me up with some of his online dating leftovers.
TO BE CONTINUED.......

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

THE DET-OAK.... I have to answer you in two separate posts in order to feel that I have properly addressed you, sir. In one large part, I will take responsibility for the situation steamrolling out of control due to heightened estrogen buildup after I read your post and decided not to follow through with my 2mg administration of Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I saw that this individual directly asked ME a question, then you responded as THE DET-OAK, and told him YOU could help him more blah, blah, blah. My heightened sensitivity, due to recent estrogen build up made me feel that you were trying to upstage me. I would have had more respect if you jumped in as CENTURION, if IN FACT YOU were really trying to help this person. We are not stupid here. You are no rookie when it comes to manipulating the boards. (I here you can hoop too.. seriously). Now a legitimate question I pose is this... wait, first, I WANNA SAY YOU. Ok. Now, do we even have enough information about this guy to be doing battle? What if this individual was morbidly obese and has GROSS amounts of estrogen that need to be flushed from his body due to years of build up? And the only way to rid the body of this is to suppress Aromatase until his body flushes out as much as possible, while at the same time he would like to have the function of his SACK and the ability to blow loads. Not trying to spark further debate, but I remember when I was a FAT PIG. And I take great care in only using that term toward my former self. But my situation required going outside the realm of "conventional" thinking. TRUE STORY. There was a point that my stomach hung down so far that I could see SEVEN INCHES of cock. Those were terrible times. I guess I could go on and on, and there is so much I want to say, but SNIGG is hooking me up with some of his online dating leftovers.
TO BE CONTINUED.......

alright prick now im laughing. Honestly you bring up 2 very valid points. If that is the case then you are absolutely correct in him using that much adex, all im saying is he can not do it forever. He needs to look at reasons of why he is aromatising so much, and if he is overweight maybe his thryoid is slowing his metabo honestly i dont know. All im saying is he needs to realise he needs to figure it out, and start ruling out potential causes, sooner than later.

PS when i said i could help him more I never meant I could help him more than you. I just meant once i knew when he drew his bloods in relation to his T shot I could help him better than I could than if i did not know that.

I know he asked you a question and honestly the only reason I answered it was cause it had been sitting for a while and i thought you may have been busy.

 

[RJ]

see, isn't that better? i love you gals so much.

and now that we have established that, i will say again as, like usual, i was right.

Everyone is different guys. That means everyone has different situations and until we know EVERYTHING, all we can do is give advice based on what we know. That is why were always asking for stats and labs and any other god damn thing to help.

This board would go alot smoother if we had some sort of pre-posting write up that has to be done that attaches itself to each members profile. Then before we answer we can look at that write up and determine whether the guys is a complete retard or not.

Of course I'm gonna think that anyway.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

PART TWO....
DET-OAK... I want you to listen and listen good, my friend....

I am here for you DET-OAK. There are some things that have taken place over the past few years that ARE NOT YOUR FAULT, DET-OAK!! AND AS YOUR FRIEND... I REFUSE TO LET YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WORKINGS OF MYSELF AND MAXIMUS HRT! DAMMIT DET-OAK.... I mean it when I say I'm here fro you.

Over the past few years, there have been a plague of GROSSLY INFLATED, SEMEN FILLED TESTICLE SACKS, from North to South and East to West! There have been countless numbers of ENGORGED, BLOOD FILLED PENISES, stretching from COAST TO COAST, and from the HEARTLANDS to the "WOOD"LANDS!!!!

ROCK HARD PENISES THAT, FORGED TOGETHER, COULD BRIDGE THE GRAND CANYON!!! DAMMIT, DET-OAK! This is not your fault! THIS IS THE FAULT OF MAXIMUS HRT!

So many men have made career changes from whatever their given professions were, to follow the path of the true ARTISIANS..... all because they have mistaken their COCKS for being a WAGNER POWER SPRAYER!!!

JUST HOW MANY MEN OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS HAVE DEVELOPED AN IDENTITY CRISES, AFTER BECOMING CLIENTS OF MINE AND MAXIMUS HRT, AND THOUGHT THAT THEY PLAYED FOR THE FLORIDA STATE FOOTBALL TEAM, DUE TO THE FACT THEY WERE RELEASING UNCONTROLLABLE AMOUNTS OF SEMINOLE FLUID?

I want you to know.... I am here for you.

 

[dtt255]

Ok I am new here....but lets be honest.

Who needs to take test...when they can just read this thread twice a week and soak in the test in this thread

 

[RJ]

Ok I am new here....but lets be honest.

Who needs to take test...when they can just read this thread twice a week and soak in the test in this thread

probably the most logical post in this whole thread.

 

[dtt255]

On a more serious note

I have been working with Chip and am very happy about the information, help, and therapy I am getting from Maximus.

 

[RJ]

On a more serious note

I have been working with Chip and am very happy about the information, help, and therapy I am getting from Maximus.

glad to hear. same for me.

i just like busting balls.

 

[Jjaden]

It seems all this F***ING PARTICULAR forum has turned into is a RIDICULOUS stage for debate! Are you kidding me? People making general STATEMENTS that THIS is to much of ONE THING, or THAT is to much of ANOTHER thing. This individual isn't even a client of mine or obviously of DET-OAT/CENTURION, and neither of us truly know anything about the person looking for help OTHER than the FACT that he is on what most people would consider to be a basic "HRT/TRT" dose of testosterone and that his 2mg/wk of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) are obviously keeping his estrogen levels in a good spot! This means that it is a guaranteed FACT that he is running to much Aromatase inhibitor (AI). THIS IS EXACTLY WHY SOME CLIENTS HAVE SO MUCH MORE SUCCESS ON THEIR GIVEN PROTOCOLS THAN OTHERS. Clients SYMPTOMS must me treated! NOT A PIECE OF PAPER. AND THE EGO'S OF "COMPETING ENTITIES" who need to "ONE UP" the other guy. If people spent as much time just servicing clients, which there are not even enough hours in the day to do that most of the time, than maybe it would actually help us to be "PRODUCTIVE" against certain ASSHOLES that come into "OUR HOUSE" with AGENDA'S that do nothing but waste our time!

Roid rage?

I haven't logged in for over 6 months, I come back and have 30 Pm's from some dipshit spamming my inbox trying to sell me products, and people creating threads meant only to promote their own services and lashing out when people question the science behind their methods.

Honestly, this forum is a shadow of it's former self, and what used to be considered one of the best is now a joke......

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

Based on your rep power and the fact that you've had numerous other user accounts banned from this forum, is there any other reason you've been gone for 6 months...? I'm sure enquiring minds would like to know...

 

[RJ]

Based on your rep power and the fact that you've had numerous other user accounts banned from this forum, is there any other reason you've been gone for 6 months...? I'm sure enquiring minds would like to know...

and you think I'm good entertainment Chip?