I need some advice regarding post pct issues

[liftstrong12]

I ran a ten week cycle of test p and finished with var. For pct I used nolva at 25mg and clomid at 50mg ed. After pct my sex drive seemed to return to normal and I felt really good. I never had another blood panel done because I felt great and the boys were back. Now four months later I am struggling with my sex drive and I'm getting a lump again under one nip, the same one that flared up mid cycle. Should I jump right back into nolva and clomid and get labs done asap? Why would this happen and what should I do. Thank you for any and all help.

 

[Flat Broke]

you should have ran nolva at 40/40/20/20 and clomid at 100/100/50/50. i had this same issue minus the lump. i ran HCG at 1000iu and clomid 100mg ed of clomid for about 4 weeks and i bounced right back. not saying it will fix your problem but it did help me. good luck. i am sure some of the vets will chime in and give some helpful advice

 

[snowpatrol123]

you should have ran nolva at 40/40/20/20 and clomid at 100/100/50/50. i had this same issue minus the lump. i ran HCG at 1000iu and clomid 100mg ed of clomid for about 4 weeks and i bounced right back. not saying it will fix your problem but it did help me. good luck. i am sure some of the vets will chime in and give some helpful advice

That's a lot of clomid bro

 

[liftstrong12]

Should I get labs done? If so should I do that before starting clomid again? Should I also run the nolva?

 

[bryann]

Just my two cents... Labs never hurt anyone. Rather be safe than sorry

 

[jozifp103]

yes get labs done. I thought i was recovered from my last cycle of test only and two months after pct i was not recovered according to bloods. It takes like 2 days to get the results so i'd hold off on any chemicals until then.

Should I get labs done? If so should I do that before starting clomid again? Should I also run the nolva?

 

[liftstrong12]

yes get labs done. I thought i was recovered from my last cycle of test only and two months after pct i was not recovered according to bloods. It takes like 2 days to get the results so i'd hold off on any chemicals until then.

I just got my labs back and the results are below. Please help a bro out and give me your thoughts on my recovery and any potential issues.

BUN 28 HIGH 6-20 mg/dL RN
Creatinine, Serum 1.30 HIGH 0.76-1.27 mg/dL RN
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 22 HIGH 8-19 RN
Carbon Dioxide, Total 29 HIGH 19-28 mmol/L RN
Testosterone, Serum 523 348-1197 ng/dL RN
LH 5.2 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL RN
FSH 2.3 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL RN
Estradiol 14.8 7.6-42.6 pg/mL RN

Let me know if there are any other markers I should post.

THANK YOU in advance

 

[liftstrong12]

I just got my labs back and the results are below. Please help a bro out and give me your thoughts on my recovery and any potential issues.

BUN 28 HIGH 6-20 mg/dL RN
Creatinine, Serum 1.30 HIGH 0.76-1.27 mg/dL RN
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 22 HIGH 8-19 RN
Carbon Dioxide, Total 29 HIGH 19-28 mmol/L RN
Testosterone, Serum 523 348-1197 ng/dL RN
LH 5.2 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL RN
FSH 2.3 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL RN
Estradiol 14.8 7.6-42.6 pg/mL RN

Let me know if there are any other markers I should post.

THANK YOU in advance

bump

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

there is no PCT without HCG. If you don't re-sensitize the boys, your just pissing in the wind.

 

[liftstrong12]

there is no PCT without HCG. If you don't re-sensitize the boys, your just pissing in the wind.

What was that, advice? Thanks but I'm looking for input regarding my labs. Have any? I used HCG 3 weeks prior to PCT, and would have used it sooner if my order was on time.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

What was that, advice? Thanks but I'm looking for input regarding my labs. Have any? I used HCG 3 weeks prior to PCT, and would have used it sooner if my order was on time.

yes that was advice, my point being there is no point in jumping back on nova and clomid if the testicles were not re-sensitized properly and thats what it seems like.

Your E is low, too low. So it seems to me you have testosterone induced primary hypogonadism. Your asking if you should jump back on clomid and nolva, I am saying no, you need HCG first.

These rumors that 10 days or 2 weeks or even 3 weeks is enough HCG after a cycle are completely wrong. You need to run HCG AT LEAST 6 weeks after a cycle, and more importably for a long period of time once the exogenous testosterone has left your body.

 

[snowpatrol123]

Test, estradiol and LH look ok - FSH is low, but I'm sure you saw that already.
1. I'm no expert at interpreting blood test results, just a disclaimer - someone could easily chime in with better advice.
2. Estradiol isn't elevated, I'm not sure why you'd be experiencing gyno this far down the road - if I were you I'd be taking nolva @ 20 or 40mg ED for a week to see if that reduces it (if it's gyno, it should)
3. It can take many months for libido to come back - are you having ED symptoms at all, or just lack of drive? Cialis or Viagra can help deal with the symptoms while you wait for the problem to resolve.

 

[liftstrong12]

yes that was advice, my point being there is no point in jumping back on nova and clomid if the testicles were not re-sensitized properly and thats what it seems like.

Your E is low, too low. So it seems to me you have testosterone induced primary hypogonadism. Your asking if you should jump back on clomid and nolva, I am saying no, you need HCG first.

These rumors that 10 days or 2 weeks or even 3 weeks is enough HCG after a cycle are completely wrong. You need to run HCG AT LEAST 6 weeks after a cycle, and more importably for a long period of time once the exogenous testosterone has left your body.

I read many posts about HCG and was under the impression that you run it up until PCT. I believe Austinite has a thread about that... I will double check so I apologize if have that wrong. There is so much conflicting info out there. So the only concern as far as you can tell is the low E? BUN and etc were high, no issues there?

 

[snowpatrol123]

BUN and etc were high, no issues there?

Take 1200mg NAC ed until your next blood test

Add liv52 or tudca if you want - but definitely the NAC

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

BUN is probably high cause your working out, you break down muscle, it goes through the kidneys, increases BUN.

Don't listen to what you read on PCT, the info is not accurate. Don't get me wrong I'm not calling anyone an idiot, I use to think 2 weeks was long enough for hcg too. But after working with hundreds of guys and their physicians, I have came to the realization that HCG needs to be ran far longer than a couple weeks and at much higher doses than people recommend.

1500IU 2x a week should be the minimum, and you have to take an AI during in order to make sure estrogen isn't triggering the negative feedback loop.

HCG is by far the absolute most important part of any PCT, if not done correctly it will fail every time.

Your TT is ok but its obvious its barely working due to your low E levels and inadequate FSH and LH numbers.

You need to start over if you really want to recover or just wait it out, time fixes all the question is how long will it take.

 

[liftstrong12]

BUN is probably high cause your working out, you break down muscle, it goes through the kidneys, increases BUN.

Don't listen to what you read on PCT, the info is not accurate. Don't get me wrong I'm not calling anyone an idiot, I use to think 2 weeks was long enough for hcg too. But after working with hundreds of guys and their physicians, I have came to the realization that HCG needs to be ran far longer than a couple weeks and at much higher doses than people recommend.

1500IU 2x a week should be the minimum, and you have to take an AI during in order to make sure estrogen isn't triggering the negative feedback loop.

HCG is by far the absolute most important part of any PCT, if not done correctly it will fail every time.

Your TT is ok but its obvious its barely working due to your low E levels and inadequate FSH and LH numbers.

You need to start over if you really want to recover or just wait it out, time fixes all the question is how long will it take.

I just found this from Austinite:
t's not uncommon to blast hCG. Even some doctors prescribe high dose blasts. I only recommend hCG post cycle IF PCT fails. But chances are slim that PCT would fail if done properly and hCG was used on cycle. Blasting is done to eliminate the chance of "missing any opportunity", but science says... there's only so much hCG we can metabolize.

So I apologize for mis-speaking.

So you think time or HCG is the only way I can go? Is there anything else?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

listen man, Austinite is a great guy, but I'm here to tell you he is wrong about that.

You didn't do enough HCG and now your recovery is lagging. Trust me I've done this hundreds of times with hundreds of guys.

 

[liftstrong12]

listen man, Austinite is a great guy, but I'm here to tell you he is wrong about that.

You didn't do enough HCG and now your recovery is lagging. Trust me I've done this hundreds of times with hundreds of guys.

I don't doubt you bro, at all. So your opinion would be to get my hands on HCG or wait it out? I have clomid prescribed for HRT but I do not take it, I stock pile it. I was hoping that if I started taking it my body would convert more T to E. Is that not reasonable to believe?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

yea but if you make more e without making more T then your TT levels will go down further.

so your on HRT? Im getting really confused now

 

[liftstrong12]

yea but if you make more e without making more T then your TT levels will go down further.

so your on HRT? Im getting really confused now

I have a doc that believes test levels should be in a higher range than what's "traditional". He prescribes Clomid to boost levels. Only 50mg eod. I don't take it though, just save it for pct.