i want to lower body fat and am doing a stack

[dahawk]

i am 48 and had low T and weighed 303. my doc got me on some 1.62 but it was not enough for me. now I get my med which is 10% cream and I dropped 100 pounds with diet and exercise. I have been working out 6 days a week and my weight is at 218 now but I really lack any real nice definition.
my questions are?
1. I take a good dose of the cream daily but did not know if its better to get an injection of test E?
2. I just started yesterday stacking winny at 40 per day, will that help me get more definition?
3. I have read a lot and it seems diet really is most important. when I lost my weight I ate tons of steamed broccoli and frozen diet meals and kept my intake low and did plenty of cardio. now I do even more cardio (almost double) and cant seen to lose and body fat. could someone give me a few examples of what an exact meal for getting rid of fat and adding muscle?
my strength has increased and I have added some muscle but have lost the little but of definition I had.
I have so many questions and just need some sound good advice. I do lots of cardio should I try to stay away from carbs all together?

someone please start me in the correct direction.

 

[Milton]

Welcome to the forums! I am sure you will get alot of great advice and experience here to help you out.

 

[SoHo]

1. i think doing TRT with injections is the only way to go. how long have you been on TRT? if you have the option to switch, do it.

2. no, diet and diet and more diet will help you get more definition. there is no steroid out there that just gives you more definition if you've got high bodyfat. also does your doctor know that you are taking winny? when your doctor looks at your TRT bloodwork your levels will be off and he will know you are doing something. its best to consult with him about that unless you want to risk losing the trust of your doctor.

3. you ever get your thyroid checked? next time you see your doctor tell him your problem and tell him you want your thyroid checked. you might be T3 deficient.

my advice for you, bottom line, is not to mess with any other compounds until you got your bodyfat lower and under control. its just a waste of money for you. especially taking a compound like winny where you pretty much only benefit from it when you're lean, or leanish. winny will get you pretty strong, sure, but i'm sure your top priority is losing weight. i've been lifting for 8 years total, 4 years unnatural, and yeah its cool and fun to see your strength shoot up but if i'm not looking any better in the mirror i dont give a fuck. i'm not a powerlifter, i lift and take steroids for purely cosmetic reasons.

 

[Onk]

1. i think doing TRT with injections is the only way to go. how long have you been on TRT? if you have the option to switch, do it.

2. no, diet and diet and more diet will help you get more definition. there is no steroid out there that just gives you more definition if you've got high bodyfat. also does your doctor know that you are taking winny? when your doctor looks at your TRT bloodwork your levels will be off and he will know you are doing something. its best to consult with him about that unless you want to risk losing the trust of your doctor.

3. you ever get your thyroid checked? next time you see your doctor tell him your problem and tell him you want your thyroid checked. you might be T3 deficient.

my advice for you, bottom line, is not to mess with any other compounds until you got your bodyfat lower and under control. its just a waste of money for you. especially taking a compound like winny where you pretty much only benefit from it when you're lean, or leanish. winny will get you pretty strong, sure, but i'm sure your top priority is losing weight. i've been lifting for 8 years total, 4 years unnatural, and yeah its cool and fun to see your strength shoot up but if i'm not looking any better in the mirror i dont give a fuck. i'm not a powerlifter, i lift and take steroids for purely cosmetic reasons.

Wtf? Talk to his doc about illegal AAS use? Best way to get a bad mark against his medical record for life. I'd simply stop taking winny a week before getting bloods done

 

[SoHo]

Wtf? Talk to his doc about illegal AAS use? Best way to get a bad mark against his medical record for life. I'd simply stop taking winny a week before getting bloods done

yeah, i'm not sure how it works in australia but i have a friend on TRT under the care of one of the top urologists in the country. he tells him exactly what he's running and monitors him accordingly. he told him listen i'm not your social worker i'm your doctor. but it also depends on the doctor. not everyone is as lucky as him.

if you go to a hospital for a cocaine or heroin overdose they will take care of like any other patient.

 

[halfwit]

yeah, i'm not sure how it works in australia but i have a friend on TRT under the care of one of the top urologists in the country. he tells him exactly what he's running and monitors him accordingly. he told him listen i'm not your social worker i'm your doctor. but it also depends on the doctor. not everyone is as lucky as him.

if you go to a hospital for a cocaine or heroin overdose they will take care of like any other patient.

Well, if I ever overdose on AAS (hint: You can't), I'll be sure to let the admitting nurse know along with the ER staff. There's a huge difference between a doctor giving advice to your face, and what they write down in your notes. As insurance covers most folks medical visits here in the US, they have a legal right to review not only the history - but physician's notes.

We really don't want to give the biggest group of cheapskates any additional ammunition to refuse claims in the future, now do we?

OP: First, congratulations on losing 1/3 of your body mass! That alone is no small feat, and something that many simply cannot comprehend.

Next, STOP the cardio. Seriously. Here is what I would do (and through trial and error), and have done:

1. Get on injections if possible. Transdermals, especially if overweight can bring all sorts of problems down upon you, that you may not even be aware of yet. Not only are creams and gels woefully dependent on your skin being thin enough to allow the hormone in any great quantity through, but it often leads to a greater conversion to estradiol (bad in higher amounts) and DHT (bad if prone to MPB).

2. Get hooked up with a dietician/nutritionist. 3J around these parts is really good at setting folks up with a plan that can truly open eyes to the possibilities on just how to go about recompositioning your body. Diet is going to be your number one ally (or enemy if you allow it to get out of control).

3. Resistance training is your new best friend. Research the heck out of it; learn the proper form and disregard weight moved until you become VERY confident in what you're doing. Leave your pride at the door, you are going to be humbled like never before as you embark on this journey - I'm talking pain and feeling unprepared. It will pass.

4. Stop the winny. It's not a weight loss drug at all, and whomever sold it to you isn't doing you ANY favors. It's intended for guys with VERY LOW body fat percentages, as a precontest drug that pulls water out of your subcutaneous tissues. Far too many think it's fat being removed, it's just water.

5. Speaking of water, drink some. Actually, drink a LOT of it. Water is the chief ingredient used by your body to transport fat and wastes out of your body. Not enough water will signal your body to slooooooooow things down as it is trying to preserve life. I seriously go through upwards of 3.5 gallons a day in the summer. You'll swell up a little at first, but your body will adjust.

6. The scale is no longer your friend. Put it away, don't talk to it, don't send it playful texts - give it the cold shoulder. It will not tell you anything other than exactly what impact gravity is having on your mass. The exception being if your nutritionist requires a weekly weigh-in. Just do it, and get it over with. A measuring tape and the mirror are now how you'll judge progress.

7. Persistence. You have already learned just how it works with cardio, which has pretty consistent and measurable results. I know I would track calories burned in an hour, and try to beat my record every day. The problem with resistance training is that the results, while more permanent, take longer to actually surface. This is going to be a test of your resolve, but it is worth it.

I'm sure I'm missing something here, but others can undoubtedly chine in. The goal at this point is to take advantage of the fact you have a surplus of energy in your body (fat), and use it to build lean muscle mass while in a slight caloric deficit. Muscle will give you the shape and improved metabolism you desire - and it will help with some of the areas that are now devoid of mass (fat), leaving loose skin.

My .02c

 

[oldmusclemike]

Well, if I ever overdose on AAS (hint: You can't), I'll be sure to let the admitting nurse know along with the ER staff. There's a huge difference between a doctor giving advice to your face, and what they write down in your notes. As insurance covers most folks medical visits here in the US, they have a legal right to review not only the history - but physician's notes.

We really don't want to give the biggest group of cheapskates any additional ammunition to refuse claims in the future, now do we?

OP: First, congratulations on losing 1/3 of your body mass! That alone is no small feat, and something that many simply cannot comprehend.

Next, STOP the cardio. Seriously. Here is what I would do (and through trial and error), and have done:

1. Get on injections if possible. Transdermals, especially if overweight can bring all sorts of problems down upon you, that you may not even be aware of yet. Not only are creams and gels woefully dependent on your skin being thin enough to allow the hormone in any great quantity through, but it often leads to a greater conversion to estradiol (bad in higher amounts) and DHT (bad if prone to MPB).

2. Get hooked up with a dietician/nutritionist. 3J around these parts is really good at setting folks up with a plan that can truly open eyes to the possibilities on just how to go about recompositioning your body. Diet is going to be your number one ally (or enemy if you allow it to get out of control).

3. Resistance training is your new best friend. Research the heck out of it; learn the proper form and disregard weight moved until you become VERY confident in what you're doing. Leave your pride at the door, you are going to be humbled like never before as you embark on this journey - I'm talking pain and feeling unprepared. It will pass.

4. Stop the winny. It's not a weight loss drug at all, and whomever sold it to you isn't doing you ANY favors. It's intended for guys with VERY LOW body fat percentages, as a precontest drug that pulls water out of your subcutaneous tissues. Far too many think it's fat being removed, it's just water.

5. Speaking of water, drink some. Actually, drink a LOT of it. Water is the chief ingredient used by your body to transport fat and wastes out of your body. Not enough water will signal your body to slooooooooow things down as it is trying to preserve life. I seriously go through upwards of 3.5 gallons a day in the summer. You'll swell up a little at first, but your body will adjust.

6. The scale is no longer your friend. Put it away, don't talk to it, don't send it playful texts - give it the cold shoulder. It will not tell you anything other than exactly what impact gravity is having on your mass. The exception being if your nutritionist requires a weekly weigh-in. Just do it, and get it over with. A measuring tape and the mirror are now how you'll judge progress.

7. Persistence. You have already learned just how it works with cardio, which has pretty consistent and measurable results. I know I would track calories burned in an hour, and try to beat my record every day. The problem with resistance training is that the results, while more permanent, take longer to actually surface. This is going to be a test of your resolve, but it is worth it.

I'm sure I'm missing something here, but others can undoubtedly chine in. The goal at this point is to take advantage of the fact you have a surplus of energy in your body (fat), and use it to build lean muscle mass while in a slight caloric deficit. Muscle will give you the shape and improved metabolism you desire - and it will help with some of the areas that are now devoid of mass (fat), leaving loose skin.

My .02c

OP, dahawk listen and take heed to what all is in halfwit's post #6. I'm not trying to build his ego here but it's a right on post and advice. Winstrol, shit all these people think it does what it doesn't do, WTF. You don't need that.

What was said about the gym and dropping your ego at the door and not paying attention to how much you can lift is god advice.

Get used to the mirror to see your goals happening. Until you get that BF% down it doesn't matter because in some time your muscle mass getting better will be a trade off in weight.

So I'm just restating what he said, ha I had to said something. From the old guy on here, Welcome and good luck

 

[bigben66]

Well, if I ever overdose on AAS (hint: You can't), I'll be sure to let the admitting nurse know along with the ER staff. There's a huge difference between a doctor giving advice to your face, and what they write down in your notes. As insurance covers most folks medical visits here in the US, they have a legal right to review not only the history - but physician's notes.

We really don't want to give the biggest group of cheapskates any additional ammunition to refuse claims in the future, now do we?

OP: First, congratulations on losing 1/3 of your body mass! That alone is no small feat, and something that many simply cannot comprehend.

Next, STOP the cardio. Seriously. Here is what I would do (and through trial and error), and have done:

1. Get on injections if possible. Transdermals, especially if overweight can bring all sorts of problems down upon you, that you may not even be aware of yet. Not only are creams and gels woefully dependent on your skin being thin enough to allow the hormone in any great quantity through, but it often leads to a greater conversion to estradiol (bad in higher amounts) and DHT (bad if prone to MPB).

2. Get hooked up with a dietician/nutritionist. 3J around these parts is really good at setting folks up with a plan that can truly open eyes to the possibilities on just how to go about recompositioning your body. Diet is going to be your number one ally (or enemy if you allow it to get out of control).

3. Resistance training is your new best friend. Research the heck out of it; learn the proper form and disregard weight moved until you become VERY confident in what you're doing. Leave your pride at the door, you are going to be humbled like never before as you embark on this journey - I'm talking pain and feeling unprepared. It will pass.

4. Stop the winny. It's not a weight loss drug at all, and whomever sold it to you isn't doing you ANY favors. It's intended for guys with VERY LOW body fat percentages, as a precontest drug that pulls water out of your subcutaneous tissues. Far too many think it's fat being removed, it's just water.

5. Speaking of water, drink some. Actually, drink a LOT of it. Water is the chief ingredient used by your body to transport fat and wastes out of your body. Not enough water will signal your body to slooooooooow things down as it is trying to preserve life. I seriously go through upwards of 3.5 gallons a day in the summer. You'll swell up a little at first, but your body will adjust.

6. The scale is no longer your friend. Put it away, don't talk to it, don't send it playful texts - give it the cold shoulder. It will not tell you anything other than exactly what impact gravity is having on your mass. The exception being if your nutritionist requires a weekly weigh-in. Just do it, and get it over with. A measuring tape and the mirror are now how you'll judge progress.

7. Persistence. You have already learned just how it works with cardio, which has pretty consistent and measurable results. I know I would track calories burned in an hour, and try to beat my record every day. The problem with resistance training is that the results, while more permanent, take longer to actually surface. This is going to be a test of your resolve, but it is worth it.

I'm sure I'm missing something here, but others can undoubtedly chine in. The goal at this point is to take advantage of the fact you have a surplus of energy in your body (fat), and use it to build lean muscle mass while in a slight caloric deficit. Muscle will give you the shape and improved metabolism you desire - and it will help with some of the areas that are now devoid of mass (fat), leaving loose skin.

My .02c

Awesome advice!

 

[dahawk]

as far as trt I am taking an injection of test E 300 every week and using just 3 clicks of 10 %cream daily. my testosterone level is whatever I want the number to be because I am the one who runs the test on myself. the doc is in the dark about the winny.
I am 6 foot 2 and got down to 203 which did not look right to me, I looked to thin I believe. I now weigh 225 and am building more muscle and I think it looks better I just wish I had some definition. I am like you in that I want to look good just for me in the mirror. I am not going to compete at 48 years old. my bmi is 29 which I just don't get. I eat lots of non starch vegies and poultry, not much red meat or dairy. my protein shakes I even do with almond milk unsweetened (30 cals). maybe I am on the right track and just need more time to see some results and you are right the Winny has made me strong as hell and some of the weight gain has to of been muscle.

 

[dahawk]

what great and in depth advice. thank you so much for answering my questions so thouroughly.

can I just stop the winstrol cold in one day or wean off?

I will research into a nutrition expert and as I think of it I know some. I work in medical so I have resources available that I did not even think about using.
I will also check into resistance training. its going to be hard to step away from the scale because I have lived by that number but you are right, I am after what the mirror says. several people agree that your advice is spot on and I want to thank you again for taking the time to go so in depth.

dahawk

 

[halfwit]

what great and in depth advice. thank you so much for answering my questions so thouroughly.

can I just stop the winstrol cold in one day or wean off?

I will research into a nutrition expert and as I think of it I know some. I work in medical so I have resources available that I did not even think about using.
I will also check into resistance training. its going to be hard to step away from the scale because I have lived by that number but you are right, I am after what the mirror says. several people agree that your advice is spot on and I want to thank you again for taking the time to go so in depth.

dahawk

Totally my pleasure.

Remember that BMI is a several hundred year old formula that leaves out several factors, and is really only helpful with children. It gives no actual indication towards one's fitness level or actual body fat percentage. See if you can swing a DEXA scan (modified MRI), as they are quite accurate in determining what your true body composition truly is.

As you're on testosterone, you can just go cold turkey from the winstrol with neglible Ill effects. There aren't any withdrawals or things of that nature to contend with.

You're on the right track, just keep at it and the results will follow.

 

[dahawk]

i will stop the Winstrol tomorrow and am going to research the mess out of resistance training. I do drink a ton of zero calorie tea because I work nights and need some caffeine but hate coffee and am staying away from carbonated drinks. I will start drinking more water as well but will transistion slowly to avoid the caffeine headaches.
I think by resistance training you are talking about planking and band resistance training? I am so excited to make this change and do think this will give me the results I am after.

 

[maurij1]

Op, band resistance training will just make you skinny fat learn how to properly lift weights. Start slowly learning the main lifts, squats, deads, bench and military press. If you're not sure how to do these lifts find a good trainer that can teach you the proper form, form is everything! It's not about how much you lift but about how you lift, you don't have to go heavy to see great results. Also there are a lot of great books out there that can help you with weight training, Mark Rippetoe has a great book for beginners called Starting Strength which will help you with your form and understanding the lifts. Arnolds book the encyclopidia of bodybuilding has just about every exercise there is and explains which body parts they hit.

I don't mean to offend you with the comment about the bands, it's just I know people who own a gym and all they do is cardio kickboxing and band work. It's a great workout for people who have never worked out before but it will only take them so far. I help out once in a while doing a lot of there assesments and when I walk in everyone asks me how I got so big (which I'm not but to them I am) and I always give them the same response....I don't do bands I do weights. Hope this helps Op and by the way...great job on losing the weight, that is a massive achievment that you should be damn proud of!!

 

[halfwit]

i will stop the Winstrol tomorrow and am going to research the mess out of resistance training. I do drink a ton of zero calorie tea because I work nights and need some caffeine but hate coffee and am staying away from carbonated drinks. I will start drinking more water as well but will transistion slowly to avoid the caffeine headaches.
I think by resistance training you are talking about planking and band resistance training? I am so excited to make this change and do think this will give me the results I am after.

You don't have to completely remove caffeine. I know I can't.

Resistance bands are a decent start, but maurij1 is correct in what I meant. Weight training will transform you into what I believe you're looking for. Don't worry, you can't get HYOOOOOOOGE unless you make that your goal, and train/eat/supplement for it.

 

[dahawk]

I am after a tone look more than being huge. I think I am going to do the bands and get rid of just a few troublesome areas of some fat. i am not small and don't feel overweight but just don't really have the frame that huge would look good on. my mind may change but i plan on sticking with the band for a bit. on test and Winnie i got very strong and made very noticeable gains really quick with my mass. that was not what i was wanting at that time but maybe at a later time. i have also really increased the water intake and stopped the Winnie.

 

[bigben66]

I am after a tone look more than being huge.

I wish I had a pound (dollar) for the amount of times I've heard that from clients!

Getting HUGE doesn't just happen overnight... a lot of blood, sweat, tears and commitment goes into making muscles grow, and some people never get there, they get beaten down on the journey... they just don't have the cahoonas for it.

My advice to you is this....

Aim to get as big as you possibly can!
To get toned, you still need to train like a beast, eat clean, keep your discipline and be consistent.... those muscles will slowly start to respond and you will see positive changes as the weeks go by.

Once you see positivity in the mirror, this will spur you on, your goals will constantly change, as will your perspective of how you want your body to look.

"Get on the train to HugeVille - you can always jump off at TonedVille on the way!"

 

[Milton]

i will stop the Winstrol tomorrow and am going to research the mess out of resistance training. I do drink a ton of zero calorie tea because I work nights and need some caffeine but hate coffee and am staying away from carbonated drinks. I will start drinking more water as well but will transistion slowly to avoid the caffeine headaches.
I think by resistance training you are talking about planking and band resistance training? I am so excited to make this change and do think this will give me the results I am after.

Good for you and for taking HW's advice, and dont forget that nothing can replace water and some teas out there will rob your body of essential electrolytes.

 

[oldmusclemike]

No offense OP, but I laugh when I hear people say, "I don't want to get big, or too big" Ha we BB's train for years WANTING to get big and never do get BIG. However big is in the eyes of the beholder, but ya know in the scheme of things to be cautious of getting big is ridiculous. All anyone has to do to stop growing or to get back a little smaller is STOP training.

Atrophy and shrinkage will happen so fast you will wonder where all your work went and why did you do all that because it DID NOT stay with you. Really a guy can go for broke with weights and diet etc,... and if he/she wants to stop growing all they have to do is back off. Really get a grip. The bands will get you toned "I guess?" but that's it. Any resistance training will increase your strength a little from nothing but again that's it.


For Caffeine I take Vivarin Tabs. It's just caffeine .

You have to WORK for what you want and the BB sport is no easy street. To just get into shape and tone can come easy if you're consistent and patient. Good Luck

 

[juced_porkchop]

yes test injections are better than creams IMO.
also keep eye on estro levels

 

[cybrsage]

Creams and Gels are tools of the devil. I know, HaSatan used them as torture devices on me already. I inject now and will never go back.