If it's not low T what else could it be?

WireMan69

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My test results

Testosterone serum 686 (280-800)
Testosterone free 14.06 (5.00-21.00)
% free Testosterone 2.05 (1.5-4.2)
Dihydrotestosterone 54
Estradiol 27.9 (7.6-42.6)
Insulin-like growth factor 1 115 (94-252)
Prostate-specific ag serum .4 (0.0-4.0)
Sex hormone binding globulin serum 56.4 (14.5-48.4)
Glucose serum 101 (65-99)
Cholesterol total 228 (100-199)
LDL Cholesterol calc 159 (0-99)
I am 50 years old 175 lbs.

My issues

1 sex

Like most men in my earlier years everything worked great, never ever had any problems with arousal or erection. Over the years I noticed a slight decrease, now at age 50 I’m a shadow of my old self. Many times it just takes so long by the time everything is over it feels like it was a big production for nothing. Sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s great, sometimes it sucks, and sometimes I can’t even do it. This spring I went through a period of about 2 or 3 months void of any good sex at all, I felt like my sex life was over. I never though I would see the day when my wife would not be able to excite me orally.

2 my workouts
When I was a teenager I weighed in at 123 lbs. and I benched 220 lbs. I remember actually looking forward to working out just to see how much I had improved. At age 38 I started getting a gut so I reduced my fat intake, joined the Y and worked out, I even started playing racquetball. At 165 lbs. I couldn’t even bench 150 lbs. I did loose 15 lbs. and kept it off.

3 my back
For the last 20 or so years I have been suffering from back pain. I went to see my Dr. and he prescribed pain pills and recommended exercise. The exercise did help my back.

4 two years ago
I was at 175 lbs. and decided to join the Y again this time everything was different, I was working out on the same machines I used 10 years earlier but the results were nothing compared to before which was far less than my teen years. I wasn’t loosing the weight either, I had to get really serious about it drinking tee constantly and using Alli I did finally loose 18 lbs. this time as soon as I stopped dieting I gained it right back. My back bothers me more than ever, I live with this pain all the time.

My situation is hard to explain to someone who hasn’t gone through this. I know what I could once do I have been conditioned to believe this is natural, it’s all part of getting older. I don’t believe what has happened to me is normal. Some of the guys I play racquetball with are in their 70’s, some weigh 50+ lbs. more than me and move around the court at twice my speed. I can only play 2 - 3 times a week because my body can’t handle the abuse. I am also always the one who has to take a break.

I’m not sure if this relates but I can’t tolerate heat. I’m hot in a light shirt when others are cold and warring coats. I may have hyperthyroidism.

Also my Dr. discovered a heart murmur about 6 years ago. I know my cholesterol levels are high, can this make a difference?

I felt sure I found the problem when I started researching T everything fit perfectly, the test seemed like more of a formality than anything.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
 
I can say this-at your age if a doc would put me on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) i would do it

my back pain diminishes on test-and disappears on deca.
 
500mg test/week
300mg deca/week
75mg proviron daily

all of your problem solved.
 
benching 220 pounds weigting 123!? Doesnt make sense.

Interesting story about this. Almost all my life I was always called skinny, many people have made comments like “I need to put some meat on my bones”, one thing for certain nobody ever referred to me as strong.

Well, I am going to share an episode with you I will never forget until the day I die.

High school gym class, weight training semester. Several classes are sharing the equipment. Someone decides to have a benching contest. One at a time everyone takes a turn increasing the weight on every turn. When your out you have to stand against the wall and watch the remaining contestants until it’s all over.

I’m guessing about 30-40 students were competing. I finished about 5th place. As I walked back to the wall I was met by a fellow student. He stood in my way so I couldn’t pass. I was puzzled, what did he want? He grabbed my wrist lifted my arm up and proceeded to feel, and squeeze my bicep, he then turned around bowed his head shaking it back and forth in a bewildering way. I knew exactly what he was thinking, and he said it so eloquently.

Funny thing is he really should have been feeling me up because the bench is actually a chest exercise. But anyway from that day forward I felt an elevated amount of respect from my fellow students.

I’m that little shit that benched all that weight.
 
Unless he was talking about a 1rm

Yes 1 rep, 1 rep, who remembers what they use to work out with? and my routine would change, sometimes more weight less reps. This is the most I ever benched feet on the floor, ass on the bench, straight up.
 
Are you on blood pressure medication? Or any other medication for that matter? Any pre existing medical conditions?

Poly
 
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Well, BP meds can cause sexual dysfunction. Antidepressants and antipsychotics can have deleterious effects on the ole' libido as well. Prostate issues can effect sexual response, although your markers looked nominal. Diabetes...epilepsy...and so forth.

That's why I asked.

Poly
 
Yes 1 rep, 1 rep, who remembers what they use to work out with? and my routine would change, sometimes more weight less reps. This is the most I ever benched feet on the floor, ass on the bench, straight up.

Me lol, anyway that is still a huge weight to bench one time for someone who's 123 :biggthump
 
I guess you missed the part where he stated his total test and free test scores?

He does not need to be put on TRT.

nope i saw them, with that being said, at his age I would get on TRT. so i could cycle and not worry about my old balls recovering.
 
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Dr. Jon Crisler

Q: What are the symptoms of hypogonadism ("low testosterone")?

Fatigue
Loss of muscle mass
Fat gain
Poor recovery
Irritability
Depression
Decreased memory
Lack of libido
Erectile Dysfunction

A problem with using these symptoms to diagnose hypogonadism is that you cannot directly relate either the number of symptoms present, or the severity of any of them, to the actual severity of the hypogonadism. That is why proper evaluation by a physician specifically trained in this type of medicine, as well as appropriate laboratory testing (much more on that in future articles), is absolutely necessary.

Q: What diseases and conditions are associated with hypogonadism?

Cardiovascular disease
Cancer
Diabetes
Metabolic Syndrome X
Osteoporosis
Depression
Dementia (including Alzheimer's)
Erectile Dysfunction

That is a scary list, to be sure! One of the scarier conditions is Metabolic Syndrome X which has only recently begun to receive much public attention. Metabolic Syndrome is an insulin-insensitivity condition that is believed to be the precursor to adult-onset diabetes. It is estimated that approximately 47 million Americans (22%) now have Metabolic Syndrome. For persons 60-69 years of age, the prevalence rises to 42%.

Metabolic Syndrome (also called Syndrome X) is defined as the simultaneous presence of 3 of the following 5 risk factors:

Abdominal obesity (beer belly): waist circumference greater than 40 inches in men; 35 inches in women.

Elevated blood pressure: greater than 130/85 mmHg.

Decreased HDL (the "good") cholesterol: less than 40 mg/dL in men; less than 50 mg/dL in women.

Elevated triglycerides: greater than 150 mg/dL.

Elevated fasting glucose: greater than 110 mg/dL.

Left untreated, people with Metabolic Syndrome are at increased risk of cancer, diabetes, heart disease, and erectile dysfunction. We learn more about this condition nearly every day, but many signs point to the possibility that Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) may help to prevent and/or delay the onset of Metabolic Syndrome. It may even help you to partially overcome the condition.

Q: Is testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) helpful in treating these diseases and conditions?

Yes, it is not enough to recognize that low hormone levels are associated with a given disease state or physical symp tom . It also must be shown that raising that hormone's level reduces the risk of developing, or dramatically improves-even eliminates--that disease or symp tom . Fortunately, scientific studies have shown that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) does this for every single one of the above listed diseases AND symptoms.

Q: Is testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dangerous?

Literally millions of men, from all over the world, have enjoyed the benefits of TRT. To date, we have not found a single case of appropriate testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) hurting anyone.

Q: Can testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) give me cancer?

Absolutely not. In fact, appropriate testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) has been shown to reduce your risk of cancer, probably due to its immune system boosting benefits.

Q: What are the possible negative side effects of TRT?

Some men report some water retention. This usually subsides, but if it doesn't, can be easily controlled by using a medication or OTC (Over-the-Counter) supplement to lower estrogen-the usual cause of chronic water weight gain while on TRT.

The risk of possible liver disease is listed on the package insert. But this is a throw back to the abuse of testosterone supplementation-in other words, taking steroids. I have never heard of appropriate testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) damaging the liver.

While the possibility of inducing, or increasing, the symptoms of BPH (Benign Prostatic Hypertrophy) is often mentioned, numerous studies have shown this is not the case. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) has also been shown to not increase the risk of prostate cancer as well.

On the subject of prostate cancer, that is one of two medical conditions which are, at this time, an absolute contraindication (meaning a reason to withhold treatment) to TRT. That is why doctors who administer testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) monitor prostate health with regular PSA tests and Digital Rectal Exams. The other contraindication is male breast cancer.

Patients on blood thinners may need to have these medications dosed differently, as testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) also helps protect against unwanted clotting. On the other hand, the consistency of the blood is appropriately monitored while on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), as a few men will develop polycythemia (blood that is too thick)-a completely reversible condition. In fact, TRT's ability to build up the blood is why it is one of the treatments for anemia.

Diabetics-whether on insulin or oral medications-usually need to have the dosages of these medications decreased, often dramatically. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is profoundly effective at controlling blood sugar levels.

Patients with hypertension (high blood pressure) on a class of medications called beta blockers may need to have their meds monitored as well.

Q: My doctor tested my testosterone level, and because it was just barely above the bot tom of normal range, he said I do not need TRT. Is he right?

The "normal" reference range for Total Testosterone is found through statistical means, meant to include 95% of all adult males. Yet, when tested properly-with what is called a Bioavailable Testosterone assay-about half of all men over the age of fifty have low testosterone . That means a significant percentage of those included in "normal" range are actually sick with hypogonadism (reread the list of serious diseases associated with hypogonadism). Therefore "normal range" has absolutely nothing to do with health and happiness!

Anti-Aging experts agree that if you are experiencing the symptom s of hypogonadism (low testosterone), even if your levels are as high as mid-range, a course of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is probably warranted. If your symptoms improve or disappear altogether, that proves you had the disease. This is known to doctors as "therapeutic testing."

Q: Can any adult male with low or low-normal testosterone levels get TRT?

At this time, men who have either prostate or breast cancer are deferred from undergoing TRT. We are also careful to regularly monitor PSA levels, as well as manually checking the prostate with a Digital Rectal Exam.

Along the way, we monitor blood levels, as a small portion of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients will have their blood become too "thick", a condition known as polycythemia. This can happen because testosterone supplementation stimulates the production of red blood cells, which is why it is sometimes prescribed to treat anemia.

Beyond that, it is just a matter of finding a physician well-trained in how to best administer this profoundly effective treatment therapy.

Q: If I go on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), how will it change my life?

Most men report dramatic increases in sexual performance, up to and including a reversal of Erectile Dysfunction (ED) symptoms. They also have much more energy, better stamina, increased muscle and decreased fat, and an improvement in their ability to concentrate and remember things. All of a sudden they are being active well into the evening again, enjoy great sex, can catch up to the grandkids, and hit that golf ball 40 yards further. They tell me they have regained their "edge". Plus they feel they just plain look younger. And this is in addition to the dramatic decreases in the risks for the serious diseases I listed previously in this article.

Q: If I go on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), is it forever?

No, you can always go back to feeling the way you used to!

Q: Is Testosterone Replacement Therapy the same thing as doing steroids?

Good question, especially with all the press lately regarding steroids in professional sports. Doing steroids means taking testosterone waaaaay above the top of normal range. This is VERY bad for your health. Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT), on the other hand, is merely restoring, or optimizing, testosterone levels to healthy range. S tudies have shown that men get healthier (and happier) as they approach the top of normal range. And they tend to stay that way much longer.

A good analogy is the recent recommendation that a glass of wine at dinner each night may be good for our health. But drinking a whole bottle is a different matter entirely!

Q: What exactly do you do with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) treatment? Shots? Pills?

There are several different methods for administering TRT: testosterone gels and creams, patches, pills, implantable pellets and injections. Each has their respective benefits, and shortcomings. Which testosterone delivery system to use has as much to do with each individual's lifestyle as it does the medical condition. That is why this decision must be made TOGETHER by the physician and the patient.

In my professional opinion, the best two methods are the gels/creams, and injectable testosterone.

Q: What is Anti-Aging Medicine?

It typically includes the tenets of Preventative Medicine, such as diet, nutrition and exercise. These efforts are meant to reduce the risks of serious diseases such as cancer, diabetes and heart disease. But it goes far beyond that, to the optimization of hormone levels, in order to maximize health, fitness and happiness. This includes not only testosterone, but also growth hormone, thyroid and even adrenal hormones. In coming articles we will explore all of these treatment modalities in depth.

This is why patients who want to maintain-or regain--their "edge" need to seek out the care of an Anti-Aging Specialist.

Q: After recognizing that I have the symp tom s of hypogonadism you describe, I asked my doctor about possibly getting on TRT. He told me I should not get testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), because it is natural for men to have their testosterone levels drop as they age. Is that true?

You might want to respectfully ask your doctor is he/she prescribes Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for aging women. After all, it is "natural" for their estrogen levels to drop during menopause, and this is what causes their profoundly uncomfortable symptoms--which dramatically affects Quality of Life (QOL). Yet doctors routinely prescribe estrogen replacement for them, even though this is treating a completely "natural" condition. It has been said that female "menopause" is like falling off from a cliff, while male "andropause" (loss of male sex hormones) is more like rolling down a hill-it happens more slowly and insidiously. But the dangers of hypogonadism with respect to tremendous loss of QOL is undeniable. More so, it is associated with increased risk of cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes, osteoporosis, depression, dementia (including Alzheimer's) and Erectile Dysfunction. The fact most doctors feel it is perfectly a cc eptable for them to treat a drop in sex hormones in women, but not men, may be thought of as a form of bias against men's health.

When thyroid hormones get low (hypothyroidism) we give thyroid medication. When insulin gets too low (diabetes) we give insulin. Why should it be any different for the sex hormones?

On the second point, there is not one shred of evidence to suggest that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) causes cancer. Not one. In fact, multiple studies have shown that LOW testosterone levels are strongly associated with a higher risk, and worse form of, cancer.

Both points demonstrate why you need a doctor who really understands this stuff. The risk of being subjected to unnecessary disease is too great. And why not live life to its fullest, for as long as possible?

Q: Why should I enlist the help of a genuine Anti-Aging Medicine physician to test for hypogonadism, and administer my TRT?

In the first place, God bless any doctor who is willing to provide TRT. But there are so many new developments in this exciting new kind of medicine that you want someone who is specially trained in this type of therapy. That is the only way to truly optimize one's health and fitness.

Q: Where can I research more information on this subject?

The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine , of which I am proudly a member (and also lecturer and Moderator of their national and international conferences), maintain a website resplendent with information at: Worldhealth.net: Global Resource for Anti-Aging, Functional and Regenerative Medicine . You can even subscribe to their free email newsletter, which is a fascinating read, and some pretty exciting stuff!

Welcome to the cutting edge of medicine.

Q: What other services do you provide at the ALLTHINGSMALE Center for Men's Health?

We currently provide anti-aging consultation, Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) therapy, Botox treatments (for women and men), nutrition and supplement advice and sales. More services are added frequently, so please explore the rest of this web site.
 
so what your saying is that even though a blood test can be off up to 33% depending on which kit a company uses, and that doesnt even take into account the fact that they can be off up to 15% depending on what time of day the test was given, your conlcuding that there is no chance that ALL his symptoms pointing to low test are accurate?
 
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a blood test can be off up to 33% depending on which kit a company uses, and that doesnt even take into account the fact that they can be off up to 15% depending on what time of day the test was given

WOW! That I did not know. One other point I didn't mention is. I was on the road when I had taken the test, I hadn't had sex in 8-10 days. nowhere have I read anything about that. They tell you don't have sex 24 hours prior, but they say make sex you don't abstain any longer than XXX

when I was younger I could go a day or two without sex but 8-10 and I was f-ing climbing the walls.

I am older now but doesn't the same principle apply?
 
Your levels look pretty good. But would high sbhg be causing any symptoms here? Can high shbg affect the other hormones in a negative way at that level?
 
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