So last night I took my 4 pin, 250mg Sustanon and 150mg of NPP. Pinning this 3 times a week. I also added 250 iu of HCG, 12.5mg of Stane, and 5mg of Cialis. Today I have felt very hot and sweating alot, also an uneasy feeling which may be some anxiety. I'm 45, and this is my 4th cycle. Just don't remember being so hot feeling before. Anything specific I need to look for?
Im about to burn up today!
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Its the fluctuation with the short ester and your BP with the cialis...
Stop the HCG, you're elevating estro too.. No need for it...You have a slew of signals going all over.. also watch your macro's and limit your sodium..get some more fiulds and rest...and take it from there, everything should stabilize and find balance!
Stop the HCG, you're elevating estro too.. No need for it...You have a slew of signals going all over.. also watch your macro's and limit your sodium..get some more fiulds and rest...and take it from there, everything should stabilize and find balance!
Mountain-Man
New member
Could not have said it better take this man advice he knows his shit
So why stop the HCG, most say take it on cycle? The Cialis was a very low dose and I only plan to take it every other day. 750mg of Sustanon and 450mg of NPP is total for the week, pinned M/W/Sat. Think that's too much Sustanon? Started with 300mg of NPP and the replies I got was that was just a theraputic dose so I upped it a little. Today I'm not as hot feeling.
JimiThing
Moderator
Dont stop the hcg...at all. Maintain leydig cell function, it makes recovery a lot easier and all that comes with that (gains retention, etc).
You hormones are fucuating right now, especially with the mix of esters. Its gonna take things time to level out. Dont go switching things up at all right now, if anything continue as you are. The cia is a great addition on cycle at a low dose daily to lower your BP (if you need too). I use it on cycle for that very purpose. Id continue using it unless it is lowering your BP too much, then ddrop it (i doubt that is happening btw)
Keep everything as it is, give it a couple weeks at least and see how you are making out (as long as your reactions are not too extreme). You should do mid cycle bloods about 7-8weeks in, let that determine any changes in dosage you make and the only thing I would envision having to change is possibly upping the Stane. Stane is quite often under-dosed.
Your only a week in, just relax, let things stabilize, in a few weeks if need be make some adjustments. I think you are fine and just going through the rush of exogenous androgens.
soldier74
avi changes as i do
Well it sounds like your going to do what YOU THINK IS RIGHT (scary). Anyways, it's like the old saying goes: if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen!!
Southernfish
New member
Why on earth should he stop the HCG? He shouldn't stop the HCG at all it is an important part in every cycle to increase the odds of a better recovery. Watching macros has absolutely nothing to do with this issue, and limiting sodium is absolutely ridiculous as well as sodium is a must if one wants to build muscle, maintain muscle fullness, have energy, and mental focus.
OP, do not listen to the quoted advice. You are not running a ton of gear, your cycle is fine. What is happening is you are introducing a number of different foreign substances into your body and your body is doing its thing while adjusting and getting used to whats happening. You will be fine, keep doing things as you have been doing and this feeling will go away.
If you have to question any of my suggestions then I question anything that you think you may know.. I can support everything I suggested, but I won't make a shit mess of the post.. There's more approaches to this lifestyle then one's limited narrow thinking.. I never said CUT out sodium, I said limit..
Hormone fluctuations effect BP,Viagra effects BP, High sodium effects BP... And HCG is NOT entirely necessary
as HCG can drastically increase E2 levels, further complicating his fluctuations or any unwanted sides... But hey, he's on stane so roll the dice and hope for the best right? Like I said to the OP... You'll balance out, just watch your macro's, drink fluids and ride it out..
oldmusclemike
Well-known member
Simple Simon to check BP. Cialis can up the BP as well as lower it through blood flow. I believe it is your Estrogen level but you won't know until BW of course. But with the ester mix and only being your 4th pin it is to early to have stabilized with your cycle sides yet as I think we all agree.
I would stay the course if it doesn't accelerate for the worse. You will know in a few days or sooner if you need to do anything. It would be prudent to skip a dose. I won't hurt the cycle or disrupt anything, however it could lessen some overwhelming sides at the present.
AS far as hCG I have no advice. Good Luck
I would stay the course if it doesn't accelerate for the worse. You will know in a few days or sooner if you need to do anything. It would be prudent to skip a dose. I won't hurt the cycle or disrupt anything, however it could lessen some overwhelming sides at the present.
AS far as hCG I have no advice. Good Luck
soldier74
avi changes as i do
Your hot now...haha. Wait til u try tren....
Don't get me started....you know I love tren
bigben66
New member
Keep the HCG in OP: It'll do more good than harm... you appear to have E2 covered with your AI so just let things level out...
HCG should be a staple in every cycle if you are intent on recovery...
Before I started TRT - recovery was THE single most important element of my cycle - and this is essential in my eyes.
I concur with Jimi and Schredder and suggest you leave things alone until you get your mid-cycle bloods.
HCG should be a staple in every cycle if you are intent on recovery...
Before I started TRT - recovery was THE single most important element of my cycle - and this is essential in my eyes.
I concur with Jimi and Schredder and suggest you leave things alone until you get your mid-cycle bloods.
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oldmusclemike
Well-known member
What was your base line of Test?
soldier74
avi changes as i do
What up B!?! What's good with you bro?! It's good to hear from Ya!
Southernfish
New member
If you have to question any of my suggestions then I question anything that you think you may know.. I can support everything I suggested, but I won't make a shit mess of the post.. There's more approaches to this lifestyle then one's limited narrow thinking.. I never said CUT out sodium, I said limit..
Hormone fluctuations effect BP,Viagra effects BP, High sodium effects BP... And HCG is NOT entirely necessary
Like I said to the OP... You'll balance out, just watch your macro's, drink fluids and ride it out..
Listen your 'Im gonna spit out a bunch of mumo jumbo broscience so you feel inferior and eneducated and I seem like I know what Im talking about' nonsense might fly with some people but not me.
Ive been at this a loooooooong time and I can guarantee you dont need to question a word I write.
He shouldnt watch his sodium at all if he wants to build any muscle. Do you have any idea how many guys dont gain because of a lack of sodium. The only way a high intake of sodium is going to cause any problems is if an individual has a medical problem to begin with or he/she eats mounds of it for years on end.
Macros has sweetFA to do with anything here.
You are right a out the HCG though. It isnt completely necessary but anyone with half a brain who plans on coming off gear and PCTing is going to take it and SHOULD take it as atrophied testicles are of no use for anything including producing Testosterone once exogenous hormone use has been discontinued.
I see you on all kinds of threads trying to help and thats great thats what its all about but cut the BS man.
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Onk
1kg = 2.20 lbs
I think we will all agree that stopping HCG is poor advice.
Add to that he's a rep for a lab that profits when ppl buy more gear....and you start to question the advice and why you would tell someone that isn't B&Cing to decrease their chance of recovery....and use more gear.
