Okay so sorry it took me a while to write this up***8230;***8230;. (Yes by fina I mean finasteride) thank you all for your replies and advice!!
My friend.. lets call him ***8220;T***8221; and myself wanted to do a cycle this summer. He had some time constraints so only wanted to do 8 weeks on. I wanted to join him so we both decided to do it..
The main base was this guide..
https://*************.com/articles/perfect-8-week-testosterone-based-steroid-cycle/
combined with https://steroidology.com/forum/my-steroid-cycle-forum/645233-test-e-8-week-cycle.html and also a bunch of other research
I had followed a guide and researched for a while to come up with a cycle..
The guide had called for 250 MG every 3 days.
Here is my mistake.. I had for some reason thought that a vial was 250 mg in the entire 10 ml so that it was really 25 mg / ml..
We thought this would be way too much to pin so we lowered it to 150 so it would only be 6 ml***8230; 2x 3 ml which was way too much PIP so we changed it to 4x 1.5ml
I had posted for advice after we started here..
https://steroidology.com/forum/my-steroid-cycle-forum/693534-first-time-cycle-9-week-test-e-base-need-advice-feedback.html
T needed to start a bit earlier so he started 2 weeks before me***8230;***8230;.
Because of my miscalculation he had pinned 1500 MG 6 times in 20 days
I had joined in 2 weeks after he started and pinned 1500 mg 2x in 14 days as I could not handle the PIP and missed a few days of working out because of it..
I had started looking into things more and then realized the mistake I had made..
Thankfully T had to take some time off as he was unable to pin for a week because of some work related conflicts so he got a few days off before his final recent dose of 1500
SO as of today, I have calculated the blood values of each of us based on a 10.5 day halflife of test-e ..
June 12 T***8217;s Test level = 2777 mg, by june 21 should be about 1533
(He will be getting blood levels checked soon and has not pinned anything in 9 days)
For him as per the advice mentioned we will wait 3-4 weeks from that last pin to continue on his cycle..
Based on the values that the guide would have resulted in we would average around 1100 mg after reaching peak levels.
He is pretty set on only 8 weeks, in about 10 more days he will be down to about 1500 with values rapidly declining as shown in the graph that someone had posted as well as my calculations.
Originally we had thought to do 0.5 MG Arimidex daily each but now realize that would have been too much for the cycle we expected but could be a saving grace for my friend. He has now upped it to .75 daily and we will keep it at that for a few more days then drop to 0.5 daily then to 0.5 eod.
I had posted here which shows the original cycle we were going to do
https://steroidology.com/forum/my-steroid-cycle-forum/693534-first-time-cycle-9-week-test-e-base-need-advice-feedback.html
Since I had realized the mess we had caused and done more research.. I waited 7 days from my last pin of 1500 and pinned 250.
STATS (we are both around the same size)
150 lbs, ~18% BF, he is like 6 feet I am 5***8217;8
(I am lighter less BF, he is a bit heaver more BF)
(ALSO I am sorry for having to talk for two people but he doesn***8217;t have time to research anything so I have to do it all)
My current test is at 1675 dropping quickly. I plan on running 500 per week from now on for a total of 12 weeks as per your advice.. With the last 3 pins using Test-P
I will run .5 arimidex EOD until my test gets down to around 1100, which will be in about 7 days then we are down to every 3 days.
I also am running 1.25 fina daily to avoid hairloss, he will do the same as well once his values get down to 1100 blood average
Someone was wondering why we were going to start the PCT so close after the last pin but it was because it starts 2 weeks after the last test ***8211; E pin and 5 days after the last test ***8211; P pin
SO as of now T is going to get blood checked, blood pressure checked, watching for sides until we finish his last few weeks of 750 / week but maybe we should drop this down a bit but since he is still set on 8 weeks totally on cycle he is pretty set on that.
I myself am more serious then him so I adjusted that 8 weeks to 12 weeks and I am going to go down to 500 / week test ***8211; e with the final week on test ***8211; p.
In terms of post cycle therapy it seems like we had some holes there..
Someone was saying we should use CLOMID forsure but I thought since we have Aromasin in the PCT there is no point for that..
Someone said the nolva dose was way too high so maybe we could each do something like..
PCT
1 week = 25 daily aromasin, 60 daily nolva, 1.25 fina
Week 2 = 25 daily aromasin, 40 daily nolva
Week 3 first half = 40 daily nolva
Week 3 second half = 20 daily nolva
Someone mentions we need clomid and someone said we need HCG.
I am willing to drop the aromasin for clomid and adjust any dosages. If you guys recommend we can add HCG to the PCT as well.
Thank you all for taking the time to read this.. I know we are stupid (me for making the mistake and him for blindly trusting me and pressuring me to do this all for him) But what is done is done.
The only sides we have are a bit of testicular atrophy..
I had some flu like feeling for a week (night sweats and felt hot a lot) but that***8217;s gone now.
Hoping maybe the test was underdosed at the manufacturer or something which is maybe why things don***8217;t feel so bad. Brand was metabolic for the test-e, ******* for the test ***8211; p which we still haven***8217;t used.
Overall other then the mistakes I have never felt so good in my life. I no longer feel compelled to go out and party and am focused on diet and exercise. I feel confident and am looking better daily. I feel smarter as well.
I have been noticing some joint pains but as some had mentioned in my research it must be because we were knocking out too much estrogen and we will normalize it soon once we get to standard levels.
I know this was a rocky start but I need you guys for advice / support but other then these mistakes I have no regrets.
