I'm totally confused about my DL strength

[slobberknocker]

That's true Trevdog. Genetically, I believe I've been somewhat blessed with very strong bones, ligaments, and tendons. I've never broken, pulled, or torn anything despite being very physically active. The worst injury I ever had was a sprained ankle. So maybe it's just genetics.

 

[Trevdog]

After I got hit by a car, the driver's attorney claimed that my low back problem (spondylosis/spondylolisthesis) is a congentical defect. He may be right but I never really had problems with it until his asshole client nearly killed me. I'm just happy he didn't and I get to train.

Its been the best thing for my back pain. Kinda ironic since the docs told me not to lift at all and I was convinced for years that I couldn't squat or deadlift at all.

 

[Trevdog]

BTW 735 with, without, whatever - is an incredible lift. Kudos.

 

[Rj*]

Its been the best thing for my back pain. Kinda ironic since the docs told me not to lift at all and I was convinced for years that I couldn't squat or deadlift at all.

been there. dumbass docs

 

[Spectre]

MVMAXX, you are a body builder, not a powerlifter!! Your gonna bust yourself up with those singles. Ya ya I know they are fun.

I made it to the 5 plate club once, get to 405 3x8 , 455 5x5 and 475 3x3 rest a week and make the big pull.

 

[OMEGA]

I think your strength has increased do to the bent rows

it makes your lower back incredibly strong

do deads on leg day and bent rows on back day

 

[ranger1504]

The reverse hyper extension machine did wonders for my dead lift, but not too many gyms have them.

 

[mvmaxx]

The reverse hyper extension machine did wonders for my dead lift, but not too many gyms have them.

Yeah, I wish my pansy gym had a reverse hyper. I'd love to use that.

OMEGA - I agree with the bent over row statement. I think it kept it in check.

Spectre - I know I know. I'm no powerlifter but I want to hit these key #'s. Besides it's fun pulling 500lbs DLing in the pansy gym I workout at. You get looked at like you're some sort of freak.

 

[OMEGA]

You get looked at like you're some sort of freak.

may be its your neon biker shorts

 

[mvmaxx]

may be its your neon biker shorts

Or it could be my string tank top with my nips hanging out, fanny pack, feathered hair and huge CD player on hip with big head phones on. I don't know though, I'm leaning towards the neon pink and purple striped spandex.

 

[OMEGA]

LMAO!

I think its the tanktop now that you mentioned it =)

all joking aside great lifts my man......

 

[xtinct]

do your regular deadlift but instead of starting at the bottom your starting at the top which preloads the muscles and allows you to dl just a little more weight

This is how I do all my deadlifting. How much of a difference does this actually make in terms of the weight you can pull? I pulled 605 for a single this week, so I am wondering how much I could pull of the floor.

 

[jcp2]

This is how I do all my deadlifting. How much of a difference does this actually make in terms of the weight you can pull? I pulled 605 for a single this week, so I am wondering how much I could pull of the floor.

Try it off the floor and see, but don't excpect 605, if you have never pulled from the floor i would work my way up, you are not going to be used to it, and the floor to where you normally start is probably going to be extremely weak compared to the rest of the range of motion.

 

[xtinct]

Is there really any reason to pull from the floor? I don't plan to ever compete in powerlifting and having the eccentric part first seems to make the lift safer for my lower back because I can be sure that my back is in the right position when the full load hits it.

Taking this a little further, as a bodybuilder, is there a benefit in doing full deads, anyway? I always do the full range of motion, but my training partner only does partials (i'd say 3/4 reps). I normally do the full range of motion on all my exercises, but seeing his upper back development now that he can pull 7 plates (675#) for reps makes me wonder whether I am limiting my upper back development by doing the lower 1/4-1/3 part of the movement and therefore have to use less weight.

 

[jcp2]

I don't think you are going to limit your upper back development, i think people in the gym have insanelly weak lower backs to the point where they are risking injury, that is one reason why you don't see many people who actually bend over when they do bent over rows. I just think by neglecting your lower back you are not maximizing strenght in all your lifts, including mainly squats rows. Now if you are doing good mornings and so on, You will be OK, but since the only people i ever see doing them, do full deads i doubt you do. That is not a knock just the truth.

 

[xtinct]

JCP2, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I am doing the full range of motion on deads, that is, at the bottom of each rep, the plates touch the floor. The only difference is that instead of starting with the bar on the floor, I lift it from a rack and then walk out to do my set. I don't think my lower back is a weak point. In fact, while I do not consider myself to be strong in the absolute sense, my lower back is quite strong compared to my upper back -- that is why I was considering focusing more attention on my upper back.

 

[jcp2]

JCP2, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I am doing the full range of motion on deads, that is, at the bottom of each rep, the plates touch the floor. The only difference is that instead of starting with the bar on the floor, I lift it from a rack and then walk out to do my set. I don't think my lower back is a weak point. In fact, while I do not consider myself to be strong in the absolute sense, my lower back is quite strong compared to my upper back -- that is why I was considering focusing more attention on my upper back.

My bad bro, i misunderstood you. The only difference i would say is that the exercise really is about pulling from the floor, and each rep is supposed to be independent of each other, although i sure as hell don't do it that way. But i do pull the first one straight from the floor. Personally i couldn't walk 500+ lbs out of the rack, but to each his own, and that is how i did it when i started.

 

[xtinct]

Personally i couldn't walk 500+ lbs out of the rack, but to each his own, and that is how i did it when i started.

Walking out is the easy part. The hard part is walking back in after pulling 600+ lbs. Can you believe my training partner just put the 675 lbs onto the floor after his last rep...what a pussy!

 

[mvmaxx]

My bad bro, i misunderstood you. The only difference i would say is that the exercise really is about pulling from the floor, and each rep is supposed to be independent of each other, although i sure as hell don't do it that way. But i do pull the first one straight from the floor. Personally i couldn't walk 500+ lbs out of the rack, but to each his own, and that is how i did it when i started.

Bingo, I'm right there with you. I pull all of mine from the floor and then barely touch the floor as I rep them out.

 

[mvmaxx]

Alright, I did DL's with 405 on a platform so that the bar was barely touching the top of my shoes when I went down all the way. I repped those out for 3 sets of 5. Then I did rack pulls just above the knee and got up to 6 plates. I could barely pull it and lock it out maybe for a second before I had to go back down.

Mad props to all you guys that can pull 600+lbs. That was just an insane amount of weight. Especially w/o straps. I can't imagine pulling that from the floor.