Increasing TEST CYP while cruising

[OnStar]

STARTED Jan 7th 2011
Height – 6’3”
Weight – 214lbs
Body Fat – 12.5%
Testosterone levels - 310ng/ml
Free Test – 3.8
IGF-1 - 251

CURRENT – Feb 22nd 2011
Weight – 226lbs
Body Fat – 11%
Testosterone – 1437ng/ml
Free – 29.5
IGF-1 - 387

Gear
1.3cc Test Cyp 1x week (week1 -6)
HCG 350iu 3x week (Week 6- …..)
1mg Arimi 1mg 3x week

Food:
2900 calories (dialed in perfectly)

Cardio:
5x week 35min @70%MHR

Train:
5x week
Chest / Legs / Shoulders+Traps/Back/Bi+tri
Week -1 6-8 reps
Week-2 8-10 reps
Week-3 20-25 reps
Week -4 drop sets
Week-5 Repeat week 1

WOW…now that’s out of the way….lol I’ve been running Cyp at 260mg (1.3cc) once a week. This is my first AAS so I wanted to see how my body responded to a low dose. I am under a doctor’s care and he said if I wanted to increase it to 400mg to try it for 12 weeks and as long as I ran HCG I would be fine. As you can see from my info above my levels did jump way up when only on 240mg. I have zero sides but strength has increased only minimal. The Dr said to give it time yet I am in the prime of week 6.

I am hoping that he didn’t start the HCG too late and also that the Arimi @1mg 3x/week isn’t killing the estrogen levels which would limit some gains.

I am not getting all of the gains that I was hoping for and wanted advice on increasing the dosage to 400mg week (2cc) once a week.

Comments, suggestions appreciated.

 

[ezred]

i would drop the arimidex dosage down to .5 or lower 3x per week and see how that goes. at those doses you might not even need any Aromatase inhibitor (AI). drop it back and feel it out.

i wouldn't think that adding another 140mg per week would be a terrible idea. you'd probably be better off splitting it though. do 1ml twice a week.

and try .25 or .5mg of adex 3 times a week and see how that goes. if you see any signs of gyno then pick it up a bit.

 

[ezred]

you also need to eat more if you want to see more gains. at your height and weight you should DEFINITELY be getting more calories in. and even more when you up your dosage.

and i'd do a bit less cardio. you shouldn't be worrying about your bf too much at 11%. drop that down to 2 or 3 times a week. you might be burning too many calories and that could be hindering your gains.

 

[OnStar]

Well I want to thank you and appreciate ALL the advice.

Im working with a trainer who wrote the diet for me based on lean muscle mass and I meet with him every 2 weeks. Lean body mass is now at 201lbs, up from 198lbs 2 weeks ago. I want to give it 2 more weeks with cardio at this pace and see what happens. Again, cardio is light...about 120bpm. Of course we all want to gain size and become lean at the same time but due to certain restrictions, the choices of what to take to aid in growth is limited to what I am taking. So no Wiiny, deca, Anavar for me. Although, the Dr was not opposed to writing a script for Test E for summer as it holds less water. I will ask for Test Prop and see what he says.

Pinning 2x a week I asked the Dr and he said I could if I wanted to. I was under the impression that because of the half life of Cyp its typically dosed at 1x a week normally and Test E and Prop and dosed more often because esters are shorter.

The Arimi are so small do they make a pill splitter? I am also concerned that once I see signs of Gyno (itch, puffy nipples) it;s already too late and hesitant to back off of the Arimi.

As far as the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), the script is for 350iu 3x a week. It was suggested that I divide total dosage (1050iu week) by 7 and pin ED @150iu. This will also aid in fat loss. Something about some fad of HCG diet and fat loss. Also was told that HCG will not only prevent testicular atrophy but also boost test levels by 400%. Hmmm

 

[doitright24]

test e and test cyp are extremely close to the same (not test e and prop), it is test prop that is shorter. thus test e retains a lot more water that prop will, and cyp is the same way. they are long esters, but injecting 2x a week will help keep the levels more stable. as far as gyno goes, i know eveyone is different, but i have doubled that dosage and not had the first problem with gyno...

 

[UserAt204]

So are you on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or just using this as a cycle. That's a little high for most people on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and you should expect to much gains at that dose. At 600mg you will see a pretty drastic increase in gains.

Your test levels are pretty high and at a good level on your lower dose but im just curious as to what you are trying to accomplish and if you are on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? Also you are fine with the hcg. I recommend that you run it any time you are on test. Hcg will most likely cause a spike in estro so you may need the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at the original dose. If you are not prone to gyno then you may be able to lower it but I would see where your levels are at first. Estro can be harmful if to high or to low. You need a balance.

 

[sunsetmas]

good stuuf

 

[OnStar]

But with Test Cyp, pinning 1x a week is common. Since I will be going up to 2cc a week, what is and is there, a benefit to pinning 1cc, 2x week ? wouldnt this spike levels too much since the esters or half life are longer ?

 

[UserAt204]

Nope. It actually does the opposite. The more you pin with any compound, the more stable levels will be. If you pinned every day with cyp you would have the most stable levels. Remember half lives deal with cleaving of the ester so essentially only so much is active at a time.

 

[OnStar]

So its all good to pin 1cc twice a week.....ok. If this is ok for Cyp why wouldnt eveyone else be doing it ?

 

[UserAt204]

If you read the post here everyone recommends 500mg for a cycle. 250 x 2 a week. I'm confused as to why you think this is uncommon. Everyone here does inject long esters twice a week. There are countless threads on cycle suggestions based on this.

Ofcourse you can inject one time a week, but blood levels are more stable with more frequent injections but don't take my word for it. Do your own research and you will see that it is more than common approach.

 

[trtgiant]

I am somewhat of a beginner, but I thiought I would share my experience:

If you have low testosterone, I would recommend first figuring out what a consistent dose would be. In order for the body to heal and recover in the long term, you need to know what a comfortable, stable dose of testosterone is, and to see how to handle the estrogen in this stable setting.

I have a real hard time controlling my E2, which is annoying because this is my main cause of lip dick. When I get the E2 right, I have big boners in the morning. When its too high or too low, my libido dies.

You have only been on a normal dose for a month. It takes time. Take six months and allow your system to repair the damage of having low testosterone before you go crazy.

My first cycle was only 400mg a week of test cyp. It wasn't anything spectacular, but all of my lifts went up, and I stopped having injuries. I also understand what I can and can't do for next time.

I have some health problems, like diabetes and high blood pressure, so I can't go crazy.

Be patient and listen to the doc, find out what it feels like to have normal levels of test... it feels good

Of course more is better....

 

[OnStar]

Isnt there something to be said that the first time a person uses AAS that is when he will see his biggest gains ?

 

[ezred]

the closer you come to your natty limit, and the farther beyond it you go, the harder and harder to gain it will become. that is probably one factor playing a part in the gains game with the first time often being the best/most gains.

i hear conflicting reports about what ester will result in more or less water retention, etc. i've heard people say long esters cause more water retention.... heard short esters did.... i think it may sometimes have more to do with dosages and people's ability or lack thereof to eat/drink properly while on cycle than anything else but what do i know.

i used enanthate and prop this cycle. transitioned from enanthate to prop. didn't really have a problem with water retention on either that i could tell.

 

[OnStar]

natty limit ? As in natural limit ?? I was shocked to see my levels go from 300's to 1400's in 6 weeks only taking 260mg a week.

My doctor will script for any of the Tests but starts out with Cyp. His plan is have me cruise with Adex and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for as long as i want. he said I can bump up to 400mg a week and try for 3 months. and then come back down to cruise at 260mg week. Would it be worth switching to E or Prop then ?

 

[UserAt204]

Not necessarily. They are essentially the same. Well they are exactly the same but each ester has a different half live. Some swear they get better results from one or the other ( E or C). Increasing your dose should be all you need. So basically blast for 8 to 10 weeks then cruise at your normal level. You are on lifetime testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) right? You could also throw in some deca or something during the blast to maximize gains if you want. By the way I love hcg. Shit keeps me feeling good