Info for first cycle.

[vballplayer]

I have decided I am going to do one cycle. I am just not sure what to do. My goals are not to lofty. I want to put on and keep 10lbs of solid muscle and get my bf to around 10% or better. I don't care if I gain 15 or 20lbs I just want to be able to keep 10 after I am done. I have already been told I could get the naturally, but I am tired of waiting I want results. I don't have a lot of cash to spend on gear and I don't want to be on a long cycle, besides shouldn't take me to long to reach my goals. With that in mind I would like to know what you guys would recommend. I was thinking maybe Wingstol and Deca or Wingstol and EQ.

After this I don't every plan on doing another cycle. I am doing this to feel better about myself, I have no desire to be really big.

age:26
weight:162
height:5'9"
BF: pretty low I am lean already.
I do a good job with my diet and I train hard. My biggest problem is resting enough.

 

[LAWNSAVER]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10437

Read this one!

 

[Brock Landers]

Your first cycle should be 500 mg/test weeks 1-10.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Your first cycle should be 500 mg/test weeks 1-10.

Yep........you can't go wrong with that. 400-500 mg/week of Test Enanthate or Cypionate.

 

[bowbow]

Yep........you can't go wrong with that. 400-500 mg/week of Test Enanthate or Cypionate.

I agree with this but not your statement about just one cycle. thats what I thought as well.

 

[vballplayer]

I agree with this but not your statement about just one cycle. thats what I thought as well.

I am definaly only doing one cycle. There is no doubt about it.

 

[BUFFDAWG10]

I agree Test@400-500mgs./week

 

[vballplayer]

test

Everyone is suggesting test. I was under the impression that you fellas are gaining like 30lbs or so on a cycle. I don't want to get that big. Is it ok to stop the cycle when I get to my desired weight? Say if I start and 4 weeks in I have gained 15lbs can I just stop taking the test?

 

[BUFFDAWG10]

You will not gain 30lbs. on a 10 week cycle of Test@400-500mgs./week, make sure your diet is in check and do some cardio 2-3 times a week and you will be good to go!

 

[gymlion77]

Your weight weither it be muscle or fat or both can be moderated with your diet not drugs. I am a fan of the EQ but I also think that some test should be run in there. Test is always a good base! Just eat like a champ!

 

[vballplayer]

Test?

Will the test help to harden and rip me also?

 

[BUFFDAWG10]

Re: Test?

Will the test help to harden and rip me also?

Your DIET is the KEY, if you eat good you will gain quality muscle and stay lean!!!

 

[gymlion77]

As stated previously it is not about the drugs but about the diet...The test can be used to tighten up or to bulk up! Make sure you have some ancillary products to help with bloat/gyno etc.

Your main objective is to modify your diet to your particular needs the drugs will only help you in this plan!

 

[Mind Over Matter]

{{My goals are not to lofty. I want to put on and keep 10lbs of solid muscle and get my bf to around 10% or better.}}

You weigh 162 at 5'9. You want to drop a little bf and gain 10 lbs? You ABSOLUTELY do not need gear for that. Using gear here will definitely be taking the ez way out. So, whatever you gain will be from the chemicals, and once you stop you'll lose it all.

I have seen guys do what you're trying to do w/o chemical aid, and very poor genetics, in a month! Myself included! Eat: Quality, Often, More. Train: Quality, Hard, More, Lower reps big lifts for mass Sleep: More Rest: More

I am pissed off that anyone would even consider gear here.

Sorry, but just gotta keep it real.

 

[Mind Over Matter]

{{I don't want to get that big.}}

I'm going to have to powerclean this post right into the library. C'mon now!

 

[StoneColdNTO]

[B So, whatever you gain will be from the chemicals, and once you stop you'll lose it all........


I am pissed off that anyone would even consider gear here.

Sorry, but just gotta keep it real. [/B]

How in the hell do you figure he will lose all his gains ??.....Have you ever heard of post-cycle therapy ??

Sorry you're pissed that we advised using gear......maybe you should go sign up at www.NaturalBodyBuilding.com

 

[Mind Over Matter]

Well, if he's using chemical and doesn't understand how to get from 5'9 162 to 5'9 172 naturally with a little lower bf, then he'll lose his gains once he comes off.

And yeah I'm pissed that gear would be advised to someone who hasn't done their homework.

I've been around for awhile. Haven't posted on any boards for a few years. Can't believe how many people are looking for the ez way out now.

I've competed as a pro athlete where steroids have been pretty much a part of the sport for some time. I speak from much experience. I've known folks all around the world that are on. There's just some univeral shit you pick up along the way.

They got the term post-cycle therapy now huh? Sounds like a term some pencil pushing stickboy therapist coin phrased.

How about just work out hard in the gym, build a base, and do your homework first, then worry about the post cycle shit?

I suppose they will need post cycle group therapy mental counseling too for the lack of success their cycle will have.

I'm not pissing off dealers here that wanna move more product on the uneducated and desperate, am I?

Too fucken bad.

I read all the post to the newbie stuff here, it agrees with me.

 

[BUFFDAWG10]

Well, if he's using chemical and doesn't understand how to get from 5'9 162 to 5'9 172 naturally with a little lower bf, then he'll lose his gains once he comes off.

And yeah I'm pissed that gear would be advised to someone who hasn't done their homework.

I've been around for awhile. Haven't posted on any boards for a few years. Can't believe how many people are looking for the ez way out now.

I've competed as a pro athlete where steroids have been pretty much a part of the sport for some time. I speak from much experience. I've known folks all around the world that are on. There's just some univeral shit you pick up along the way.

They got the term post-cycle therapy now huh? Sounds like a term some pencil pushing stickboy therapist coin phrased.

How about just work out hard in the gym, build a base, and do your homework first, then worry about the post cycle shit?

I suppose they will need post cycle group therapy mental counseling too for the lack of success their cycle will have.

I'm not pissing off dealers here that wanna move more product on the uneducated and desperate, am I?

Too fucken bad.

I read all the post to the newbie stuff here, it agrees with me.

Hey bro, no one on this thread is a dealer trying to push their products...who the hell you think you are just joining an accusing people of that!! The guy asked for advice for a first cycle and it was given to him.....period! If you don't like it then go do your flaming on another board where that shit takes place, otherwise just keep your mouth shut!

 

[Mind Over Matter]

I didn't accuse anyone of anything. I merely asked the question.

I am pissed off that no one would give credit to the side of NOT taking the ez way out first.

And what sort of power trip are you on to be telling me to shut my mouth while you sit behind your monitor? My mouth is open, so hear me smiling through the words, chill out.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

I didn't accuse anyone of anything. I merely asked the question.

I am pissed off that no one would give credit to the side of NOT taking the ez way out first.

And what sort of power trip are you on to be telling me to shut my mouth while you sit behind your monitor? My mouth is open, so hear me smiling through the words, chill out.

Listen....you are really pushing it here.......

Plus I just read another reply of yours in another thread where you state you have never used Clomid post-cycle....so I really don't think you have business giving anyone any kind of advice about AAS.

A lot of you fellas seem to be having this problem. I never have used clomid and I've never had this problem when coming off. It may slow the juices down a little for a few days, but they always come back. And it seems better than b4. I posted this already: