Injectable vs. Oral Winny?

[!@#$%^&]

I was told that if you decide to use orals instead of injectable, you need a higher dose becuase the oral has to pass through the liver. True?

Iv never used Winstrol (winny) before, precontest i was planning on oral Winstrol (winny) as 50mg ed, but he said i should use 75 for the above reason. What do you think?

This one is a long shot, but iv heard a competitor suggest a Winstrol (winny) load the week of competition, like upping the dose slowly as the contest approaches. Not sure what the purpose is. What do you think?

 

[LAWNSAVER]

THey both pass through the liver.

You might lose some potency through digestion, but I think it is negligible. I have done both and I didnt see a big difference.

I think if you are going to shoot 50mg of Winstrol (winny) ED or take 25mg of Winstrol (winny) twice a day orally, you will see maybe a 10% difference. And that is even if you can tell.

 

[Mudge]

My reading says injectable goes through the liver once, not twice like an oral 17aa.

Since I dont do Winstrol (winny), and wont touch injectable dbol any time soon, heck if I know.

 

[liftsiron]

THey both pass through the liver.

You might lose some potency through digestion, but I think it is negligible. I have done both and I didnt see a big difference.

I think if you are going to shoot 50mg of Winstrol (winny) ED or take 25mg of Winstrol (winny) twice a day orally, you will see maybe a 10% difference. And that is even if you can tell.

I fully agree.

 

[jcp2]

My reading says injectable goes through the liver once, not twice like an oral 17aa.

Since I dont do Winstrol (winny), and wont touch injectable dbol any time soon, heck if I know.

Not to disagree as i am no expert in this, but i thought a 17aa steroid was designed to pass through the liver a few times before being broken down, and excreted, not sure how the injectable vs. the oral would be any different in regards to passing through the liver.

 

[Mudge]

The one pass versus two could be BS, I dont know about that one. I have only done oral 17aa and thats what I plan to stick to, our good two-pass (multi-pass?) friends.

 

[DrJMW]

Injectables are always kinder to the liver than orals. It is the orals that stress the liver.

 

[DaLinkWent]

Can you explain why that is?

 

[DaLinkWent]

Can you explain why that is?

 

[SweetLeaf]

Injectables aren't 17aa so they are metabolised by the liver easily. The orals are protected from breakdown in the liver, which puts stress on the liver.

 

[needsize]

I've done both and honestly never noticed a difference in potency, only difference I noticed was the goddamn painful injections

 

[jcp2]

Injectables aren't 17aa so they are metabolised by the liver easily. The orals are protected from breakdown in the liver, which puts stress on the liver.

yeah, where did you get that tidbit of info from, do you think injectable Winstrol (winny) is any different than oral winny.

 

[Mudge]

I think (assume) he just didn't notice the thread title/discussion, same for the good Dr. JMW

Winny, dbol, and even the rare injectable adrol are still 17aa.

 

[MajinVegeta]

I was under the impression that and oral 17aa would stress the liver when you injest it while an injectable 17aa would put a lower but more constant stress on the liver. Just my .02

 

[joltan]

the only difference is the pain from the shot

 

[SweetLeaf]

yeah, where did you get that tidbit of info from, do you think injectable Winstrol (winny) is any different than oral Winstrol (winny).

Your right i forgot to mention that exeption.

 

[BloodSpilt]

winny is 17alpha alkylated regardless of injectable or oral form, and they both pass through the liver. injectables escape 1st pass through the liver, and stress the liver less, though for a long period. however, the oral form hit the liver in one hit, and do go through 1st pass, so stress the liver more. all 17aa are liver toxic, thats why its better to go with injectables, though often not practical (money, too many other injections etc).
the difference between oral and injectable from what i have read, is not that much in terms of effectivity, but there IS a difference. if ur doing oral, start at 50mg ed to see how it effects u and especially since this is ur 1st time on Winstrol (winny). u may like the results, often results level off at about week 4, so bump up the dosage to 75-100 for anotehr 4 weeks ed. i would definitly not run the Winstrol (winny) oral past 8 weeks. though everyone is different, and i have read of guys running d-bol straight for 3 months (which is more liver toxic than winny). also remember Winstrol (winny) hits ur lipid profile big time, and use some MSM/glucosamine supplement to ensure (if u get it) that joint pain is minimised (due to the "drying" effect of winny.) its best to start glucosamine supplementation about a month before u start Winstrol (winny), so it can build up in ur system and be effective. remember r-ala and milk thistle for liver protection and drink a lot of water (as always).

 

[TxLonghorn]

winny is 17alpha alkylated regardless of injectable or oral form, and they both pass through the liver. injectables escape 1st pass through the liver, and stress the liver less, though for a long period. however, the oral form hit the liver in one hit, and do go through 1st pass, so stress the liver more.

Absolute and utter nonsense.

Regardless if it's injected or taken orally, a 17-aa will exert the exact same stress on one's liver. And it's not like there is only one or two passes through the liver, if it was, then injecting these 17-aas would be noticeably different than taken orally. But since there are multiple passes, the differences are negligible.

I can't even fathom how this myth that injecting Winstrol (winny) is less harsh on the liver than if taken orally. Like the act of injection removes the 17-aa portion of the molecule while leaving the added potency that 17-aas give to the steroid molecule. Ludicrous.

 

[BloodSpilt]

i know i am pretty new to roids, but i know of many bodybuilders who compete who inject Winstrol (winny). i dont think they are injecting for the fun of it, why not just pop a pill instead? they are doing it for a reason, they see its more effective. thats my non scientific view.

and also, yes ur right, Winstrol (winny) does go through the liver multiple times regardless of injectable or oral. however, the "hit" on the liver is not as harsh with injectables, since the 1ST PASS is avoided. there are multiple passes, i agree, but since Winstrol (winny) has such a short half life, it will make a difference to liver values, since the 1st pass is avoided,a nd the subsequent concentrations of Winstrol (winny) passing through it will be lower than with orals going on the same pass through the liver.

and about your last comment - i said in my original post that Winstrol (winny) is 17aa regardless of injectable or oral, and i totally agree with u (cos its true lol)

all in all, the difference is not much, thats the bottom line. BUT there is a difference in results for sure (injectables are better). but if you do not want to inject that often etc, then oral will be ok to use.
either way, ensure u have ALA milk thistle, drink a lot of water, glucosamine/MSM for joints, and try and include nolva in ur post cycle therapy (pct) since it is more effective at helping ur shot lipid profile (after using winny), to return to normal.

 

[TxLonghorn]

If I ever inject Winstrol (winny) again, it will be on a M-W-F schedule, taking it orally on the other days.

But I think you summed up my thoughts perfectly with this line:

all in all, the difference is not much, thats the bottom line.